Conservatives, how would you feel IF Boris sells our NHS?

Can’t believe what I’m reading on this thread. People agreeing with NHS complete privatisation because they don’t see why anyone else should pay for their/others healthcare. Denying cancer treatment to children living in poverty just to reduce tax, it’s sickening! The NHS is one of the best things that have happened to this country, and although is failing, it is thousands of times better than having to pay tens of thousands of pounds for treatment. If you are run over by a car in the street, the NHS will give you an X-ray, treat broken bones and then organise a further consultation ALL FOR FREE, at the expense of a marginal deduction from your salary. It’s disgusting how others undervaluing of the NHS, which most likely helped gave birth to them, is affecting those with chronic illnesses and disabilities who rely on the NHS to provide them with care free at the point of service. There is no way that I could deny a person healthcare, which may I add in the 21st Century should be a human right, all to lower my salary?

We are now living in the world of Trump, Johnson and Brexit. Reality and reason seem to have no influence on many people, nor empathy and altruism. It is only "what's in it for me?" and "how can I stick it to people I don't like?"

You do realise that other European countries don't have an NHS-style system, don't you?

Insurance based systems are common in Europe.

We are now living in the world of Trump, Johnson and Brexit. Reality and reason seem to have no influence on many people, nor empathy and altruism. It is only "what's in it for me?" and "how can I stick it to people I don't like?"

Something that wont happen but I would in favour of is an excess charge of say £100 for 1 off visits to GP or A&E that will be refunded as long as your need is legitimate, why? because the NHS is abused and i think a small fee like this would put off the *******s who screw the system. (yes obviously for super low savings families you would need to put something in place to ensure someone who needs there last £100 in the account on any given day has it, im sure they can find a system for this). Also this would not exist for patients who require regular treatment or have a required visit, such as surgery or any other nominal non-random visit.

It is the left that has abandoned reality and reason in favour of lunacy and cultural Marxist social policies that reject the chromosomal gender binary and assert that civilised western culture is somehow no better or worse than barbarians who burn widows alive on their husband’s funeral pyre.

Why is altruism a good value? If anything altruism is morally evil, in extremis altruism is effectively slavery and encourages you to always live your life in servitude of others with no regard for your own interests and individual freedom.

Are you ok?

The NHS will be privatised. It's just a matter of time.

The Tories have a track record for it.
It won't be all doom and gloom though but it is inevitable.

It's a shame but the way the NHS is run is not sustainable. Pumping more money into it will not solve the issues.

I don't know the answer to the issue with the NHS tbh. I'm not sure who does. But as we have seen with the American model which is the opposite end of the spectrum.. it is even more flawed.

Something that wont happen but I would in favour of

how on earth would this work? who’s to decide what’s a legitimate reason to see a doctor and what’s not? hypothetically, if this were to be in practise then people with money would still take up as many appointments as they please whilst poorer people wouldn’t be able to see a doctor even in life or death cases in fear of it not being ‘legitimate’?

what good comes from attacking how people feel that they need to use the nhs instead of attacking how underfunded it is from this government?

how on earth would this work? who’s to decide what’s a legitimate reason to see a doctor and what’s not? hypothetically, if this were to be in practise then people with money would still take up as many appointments as they please whilst poorer people wouldn’t be able to see a doctor even in life or death cases in fear of it not being ‘legitimate’?

what good comes from attacking how people feel that they need to use the nhs instead of attacking how underfunded it is from this government?

All health systems are insurance-based, even the UK. NIC stands for National Insurance Contributions. They key is how the system deal with society's less fortunate and how insurance providers are allowed to operate.

NICs are nominally meant to pay for pensions. They are nothing whatever to do with the NHS.

Erm, the definition is in the words.

Fair enough. Was a bit of a glib comment. However, the point still stands that individuals pay contributions towards the NHS.

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/chart/nhs-spending-as-a-percentage-of-gdp-1950-2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service#/media/File:NHS_Spending_1948-2014.png

underfunded... well its percentage of funding relative to GDP is higher than its been for 87% of the existence of the NHS.
In absolute terms, funding is at an all time high. Here this argument a lot but whilst it would be lovely if the government provided every person a butler & personal doctor, there are reasonable spending restrictions on public finances.