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Well I'm not stopping you. For me, I have some chicken or other meat during the day on top of the eggs.
I don't care what you say about whey. Eggs are literally a full package of everything you need to make a baby chick grow. All the hormones, fats, and proteins are like a healthy steroid cycle. Also, I doubt your protein goal is that high. Remember the calculation is done with 1.5-2 grams per kg of LEAN body weight. So assuming you eat large eggs, you'd be well over 100kg of pure muscle (???) on top of your body's bones, ligaments, water weight, fat content, etc. Ok but no.
Mate there's a difference between a baby chick and an adolescent male/female; eggs are lacking in multiple micronutrients, I'm not saying they aren't healthy but they aren't a miracle food source either and certainly not comparable to a steroid cycle.

I don't have a DEXA scanner at home so I certainly will not be able to find out how much of my weight is lean so I am currently aiming for 2.6g/kg. There's literally no harm going that high, only benefits such as:
- Improved body composition without being in a deficit
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/arti...550-2783-11-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4617900/
- Reduced muscle protein breakdown
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5790854/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19164770
- Higher level of satiety
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16002798
- It prevents osteoporosis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21102327
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16373952
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Mate there's a difference between a baby chick and an adolescent male/female; eggs are lacking in multiple micronutrients, I'm not saying they aren't healthy but they aren't a miracle food source either and certainly not comparable to a steroid cycle.

I don't have a DEXA scanner at home so I certainly will not be able to find out how much of my weight is lean so I am currently aiming for 2.6g/kg. There's literally no harm going that high, only benefits such as:
- Improved body composition without being in a deficit
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/arti...550-2783-11-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4617900/
- Reduced muscle protein breakdown
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5790854/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19164770
- Higher level of satiety
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16002798
- It prevents osteoporosis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21102327
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16373952
I never said you can eat only eggs 24/7 so I'm not sure what makes you think I called them a miracle food. I don't replace fruits and veggies with eggs, nor do I eat them every day. My point is, they are great for growth. Severe burn victims were given 35 eggs a day and the healing results were amazing, helping their wounds heal a lot faster than people who didn't eat eggs. Bodybuilders have been eating them since a very long time, even raw (late ~1940s). If you do weight training and eat enough eggs, around 35 a day for a few weeks, it would be comparable to a small dbol cycle. People normally eat 3 or so eggs, not really enough to have a great effect. I eat 6-12 + feta cheese that usually gets me to half my protein intake. Anyway I hope this is somewhat helpful and I do agree 100% with the studies you linked. Just watch out for kidney damage and dehydration.
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I never said you can eat only eggs 24/7 so I'm not sure what makes you think I called them a miracle food. I don't replace fruits and veggies with eggs, nor do I eat them every day. My point is, they are great for growth. Severe burn victims were given 35 eggs a day and the healing results were amazing, helping their wounds heal a lot faster than people who didn't eat eggs. Bodybuilders have been eating them since a very long time, even raw (late ~1940s). If you do weight training and eat enough eggs, around 35 a day for a few weeks, it would be comparable to a small dbol cycle. People normally eat 3 or so eggs, not really enough to have a great effect. I eat 6-12 + feta cheese that usually gets me to half my protein intake. Anyway I hope this is somewhat helpful and I do agree 100% with the studies you linked. Just watch out for kidney damage and dehydration.
The first thing you commented was that the OP doesn't need whey he can have eggs.
Do you have a link to that study stating that burn victims healed faster? I understand that bodybuilders have been eating eggs for a long time however eating them raw isn't advisable at all. Ever heard of Avidin? Just because a bodybuilder does something or says something does not mean its correct; for example, Arnold Schwarzenegger in his book talks about somatotypes and gives different training regimes depending on the readers somatotype. this concept has been debunked several times.
Also Dianobol and eggs are not comparable, Dianobal directly increases MPS and gluconeogenesis while eggs have a substance in it that can stimulate MPS in the right conditions and does not increase gluconeogenesis.
Finally, protein intake in healthy individuals does not decrease renal function.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10722779
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8933120
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8329667
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19812175
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2301386
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8989740
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The first thing you commented was that the OP doesn't need whey he can have eggs.
Do you have a link to that study stating that burn victims healed faster? I understand that bodybuilders have been eating eggs for a long time however eating them raw isn't advisable at all. Ever heard of Avidin? Just because a bodybuilder does something or says something does not mean its correct; for example, Arnold Schwarzenegger in his book talks about somatotypes and gives different training regimes depending on the readers somatotype. this concept has been debunked several times.
Also Dianobol and eggs are not comparable, Dianobal directly increases MPS and gluconeogenesis while eggs have a substance in it that can stimulate MPS in the right conditions and does not increase gluconeogenesis.
Finally, protein intake in healthy individuals does not decrease renal function.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10722779
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8933120
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8329667
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19812175
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2301386
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8989740
I did read about avidin, and that it prevents vitamin B absorption. However I heard that egg whites don't contain enough avidin to fully block it but I haven't looked into it, since either way I wouldn't recommend 100% of your egg intake being raw. Maybe eating half your egg intake raw (in a healthy protein shake) and half cooked. I see you have a deep knowledge on the topic so to clarify: I didn't mean it was literally like a dbol cycle, but rather that if you eat enough eggs while properly exercising you'll have decent increase in muscle. This is a healthier alternative to "just going on 1 short cycle".

I'll have to dig to find the original paper from when this was done, but here's a link
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...07122675901277
If you prefer pubmed it's here too https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1191862
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Thanks for linking those studies btw. I just skimmed over them and what I can gather is if you increase protein in your diet, you just pee the excess out. Is this right or did I miss something? Seems like you're a med student, this was a bit confusing for me to read lol.
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I never said you can eat only eggs 24/7 so I'm not sure what makes you think I called them a miracle food. I don't replace fruits and veggies with eggs, nor do I eat them every day. My point is, they are great for growth. Severe burn victims were given 35 eggs a day and the healing results were amazing, helping their wounds heal a lot faster than people who didn't eat eggs. Bodybuilders have been eating them since a very long time, even raw (late ~1940s). If you do weight training and eat enough eggs, around 35 a day for a few weeks, it would be comparable to a small dbol cycle. People normally eat 3 or so eggs, not really enough to have a great effect. I eat 6-12 + feta cheese that usually gets me to half my protein intake. Anyway I hope this is somewhat helpful and I do agree 100% with the studies you linked. Just watch out for kidney damage and dehydration.
35 eggs. i aint made of money dude. max i can eat is 6 and any more i'd be spending my money since its a 'waste' as seen by my parents
i can add a **** ton of cheese and call it a day. getting up 1k calories
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Good idea. 30+ eggs are for advanced lifters anyway. You're fine at 6-12.
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I did read about avidin, and that it prevents vitamin B absorption. However I heard that egg whites don't contain enough avidin to fully block it but I haven't looked into it, since either way I wouldn't recommend 100% of your egg intake being raw. Maybe eating half your egg intake raw (in a healthy protein shake) and half cooked. I see you have a deep knowledge on the topic so to clarify: I didn't mean it was literally like a dbol cycle, but rather that if you eat enough eggs while properly exercising you'll have decent increase in muscle. This is a healthier alternative to "just going on 1 short cycle".

I'll have to dig to find the original paper from when this was done, but here's a link
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...07122675901277
If you prefer pubmed it's here too https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1191862
I still wouldn't recommend eating eggs raw because the bioavailability of the protein increases.
'If you eat enough eggs while properly exercising you'll have decent increase in muscle', this can be said for any food with high protein not just eggs.
Oh that's an interesting study I will give it a read.
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Thanks for linking those studies btw. I just skimmed over them and what I can gather is if you increase protein in your diet, you just pee the excess out. Is this right or did I miss something? Seems like you're a med student, this was a bit confusing for me to read lol.
No worries! Yes you will pee the excess out just like with any nutrient but you can prevent this by spreading out your protein intake. No I'm not a med student, I'm in year 11.
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I still wouldn't recommend eating eggs raw because the bioavailability of the protein increases.
'If you eat enough eggs while properly exercising you'll have decent increase in muscle', this can be said for any food with high protein not just eggs.
Oh that's an interesting study I will give it a read.
Good point. What I sort of meant was a lot of eggs + the right exercise can help you gain an equivalent amount of muscle as if you were on a small cycle + just decent exercise. And yeah you're right about the eggs. Raw only gives you about half the protein, so 3g if the egg contains 6g.
Anyway you seem cool dude. Thanks for linking all that stuff about protein intake, I learned a lot.
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Good point. What I sort of meant was a lot of eggs + the right exercise can help you gain an equivalent amount of muscle as if you were on a small cycle + just decent exercise. And yeah you're right about the eggs. Raw only gives you about half the protein, so 3g if the egg contains 6g.
Anyway you seem cool dude. Thanks for linking all that stuff about protein intake, I learned a lot.
"a lot of eggs + the right exercise can help you gain an equivalent amount of muscle as if you were on a small cycle + just decent exercise"
This is still wrong, steroids increase your maximum genetic potential no matter how many eggs you eat and how perfect your program is a person with steroids will still be able to gain more muscle.

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Lol yeah you're right there. Eggs won't make you become superhuman last I checked.
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