Masters at Birkbeck vs Goldsmiths (MSc Data Science) Watch

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Which programme has the higher academic standard, staff, programme structure etc.

I'm a potential international student which means I will definitely be working so Birkbeck would be a good option in terms of the programme being structured for individuals who work.

On the other hand, Goldsmiths has electives dedicated to Deep Learning which I really want to pursue. Not sure of the their part-time structured version of the course.

Also, from what I can gather, Goldsmiths is mostly known for their creative courses and Birkbeck has a stronger history/reputation with technology courses compared to Goldsmiths.

Any help would be much appreciated.
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Which programme has the higher academic standard, staff, programme structure etc.

I'm a potential international student which means I will definitely be working so Birkbeck would be a good option in terms of the programme being structured for individuals who work.

On the other hand, Goldsmiths has electives dedicated to Deep Learning which I really want to pursue. Not sure of the their part-time structured version of the course.

Also, from what I can gather, Goldsmiths is mostly known for their creative courses and Birkbeck has a stronger history/reputation with technology courses compared to Goldsmiths.

Any help would be much appreciated.
I’m not sure about this specific course. However, Birkbeck seems to be doing really well nowadays and they’re getting better every year; I’m constantly reading good news about their university performance which makes me think that they’re definitely headed in the right direction.

Goldsmiths, as you said, seems to have a knack for the creative industries esp. media and communications. Based solely on general reputation, I would say the two universities are comparable. Yet, I, for one, would be more inclined to choose Birkbeck for anything not art related.

As for you being an international student, it is worth noting that if you require a Tier 4 Visa you should know that the legal limit on students who work was 20hrs/week when I was in the UK last year.

I hope this helps. Good luck!
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Which programme has the higher academic standard, staff, programme structure etc.

I'm a potential international student which means I will definitely be working so Birkbeck would be a good option in terms of the programme being structured for individuals who work.

On the other hand, Goldsmiths has electives dedicated to Deep Learning which I really want to pursue. Not sure of the their part-time structured version of the course.

Also, from what I can gather, Goldsmiths is mostly known for their creative courses and Birkbeck has a stronger history/reputation with technology courses compared to Goldsmiths.

Any help would be much appreciated.
Hi Thabied,

Like most of our degree programmes, our MSc Data Science is taught in the evenings so that you have the freedom to work or do your own thing during the day. If you already have an undergraduate qualification in computer science, you might also be interested in our MSc Advanced Computing Technologies.

For both programmes we regularly run optional modules on machine learning and neural networks, so I'd suggest looking at the course structure for both on our website and getting in touch with the department if you have any specific questions about the course modules.

If you haven't yet, I'd definitely recommend speaking to some of our Computer Science student ambassadors on Unibuddy (unibuddy.co/pwa/birkbeck-university), as they can tell you more about their experience of the department and studying at Birkbeck.


If you have any questions about Birkbeck or studying in London, please let me know.

-Peter
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I’m not sure about this specific course. However, Birkbeck seems to be doing really well nowadays and they’re getting better every year; I’m constantly reading good news about their university performance which makes me think that they’re definitely headed in the right direction.

Goldsmiths, as you said, seems to have a knack for the creative industries esp. media and communications. Based solely on general reputation, I would say the two universities are comparable. Yet, I, for one, would be more inclined to choose Birkbeck for anything not art related.

As for you being an international student, it is worth noting that if you require a Tier 4 Visa you should know that the legal limit on students who work was 20hrs/week when I was in the UK last year.

I hope this helps. Good luck!
Ya I'm of the same mindset that Birkbeck's standard and calibre is getting better every year and that it is more suitable for non-creative programmes.

I'm aware of the working hour limits for Tier 4 Visa students. What did you personally do to keep up with rent, tuition and food expenses if you don't mind me asking.

Thanks very much for the help btw it's much appreciated
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Hi Thabied,

Like most of our degree programmes, our MSc Data Science is taught in the evenings so that you have the freedom to work or do your own thing during the day. If you already have an undergraduate qualification in computer science, you might also be interested in our MSc Advanced Computing Technologies.

For both programmes we regularly run optional modules on machine learning and neural networks, so I'd suggest looking at the course structure for both on our website and getting in touch with the department if you have any specific questions about the course modules.

If you haven't yet, I'd definitely recommend speaking to some of our Computer Science student ambassadors on Unibuddy (unibuddy.co/pwa/birkbeck-university), as they can tell you more about their experience of the department and studying at Birkbeck.


If you have any questions about Birkbeck or studying in London, please let me know.

-Peter
Hi Peter

Thanks for the response. From what I can gather I do think Birkbeck is more suitable for me. Thanks for the Unibuddy link I will definitely check it out.

I'm sure you're aware of the 20 hour work-week limit for international students. Do you have any advice with regards to this? Does Birkbeck offer jobs for students perhaps?

Thanks for the help
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Ya I'm of the same mindset that Birkbeck's standard and calibre is getting better every year and that it is more suitable for non-creative programmes.

I'm aware of the working hour limits for Tier 4 Visa students. What did you personally do to keep up with rent, tuition and food expenses if you don't mind me asking.

Thanks very much for the help btw it's much appreciated
You’re most welcome.

Well, personally, I didn’t have a part-time job and I depended mostly on budgeting. There are many many ways to live cheaper in the UK as the sources of where and how you buy your things are countless. Perhaps you could start searching online for information (e.g. how you can get a student card that gives you a discount on the use of underground trains) to then find efficient and accessible ways to plan your spending.
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Which programme has the higher academic standard, staff, programme structure etc.

I'm a potential international student which means I will definitely be working so Birkbeck would be a good option in terms of the programme being structured for individuals who work.

On the other hand, Goldsmiths has electives dedicated to Deep Learning which I really want to pursue. Not sure of the their part-time structured version of the course.

Also, from what I can gather, Goldsmiths is mostly known for their creative courses and Birkbeck has a stronger history/reputation with technology courses compared to Goldsmiths.

Any help would be much appreciated.
Hi Thabied 👋

It's useful to note that you wouldn't be eligible to study part-time if you're an international student on a student visa (this doesn't just apply to Goldsmiths!). I also came to London as an international student so if you need any advice feel free to let me know.

We do offer an option module for that course in Artificial Intelligence which focuses heavily on Deep Learning. Dr. Stamate (the Data Science programme director)'s research also focuses heavily on AI and machine learning, so he'd be an excellent resource if you're interested in the topic! If you have any specific questions about the course content and if it would be the right fit for you, you can contact him directly here.

If you have any other questions about the course or studying at Goldsmiths feel free to send me a message

-Miranda
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I've just received an offer for the MSc Data Science part time from Birkbeck. I was wondering how the course is perceived by current students and whether they enjoy/regret their decision.
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I've also just received my letter and would also be interested to know what current students think of the programme
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Hi Peter

Thanks for the response. From what I can gather I do think Birkbeck is more suitable for me. Thanks for the Unibuddy link I will definitely check it out.

I'm sure you're aware of the 20 hour work-week limit for international students. Do you have any advice with regards to this? Does Birkbeck offer jobs for students perhaps?

Thanks for the help
We don't offer jobs specifically for students, other than our paid student ambassador roles. But our careers service is free and available to all Birkbeck students and includes our in-house recruitment agency, Birkbeck Talent (www.bbk.ac.uk/student-services/careers-service), aimed at helping students find jobs while they're studying with us and after they graduate.

Birkbeck Talent also recently partnered up with Student Circus (https://studentcircus.com/), which finds jobs exclusively for international students in the UK.

I'd also suggest taking a look at our Working in the UK, as it has a lot of information for international students looking to work while they study with us:

http://www.bbk.ac.uk/international/working-graduates

-Peter
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We don't offer jobs specifically for students, other than our paid student ambassador roles. But our careers service is free and available to all Birkbeck students and includes our in-house recruitment agency, Birkbeck Talent (www.bbk.ac.uk/student-services/careers-service), aimed at helping students find jobs while they're studying with us and after they graduate.

Birkbeck Talent also recently partnered up with Student Circus (https://studentcircus.com/), which finds jobs exclusively for international students in the UK.

I'd also suggest taking a look at our Working in the UK, as it has a lot of information for international students looking to work while they study with us:

http://www.bbk.ac.uk/international/working-graduates

-Peter
Hi Peter,

I wanted to ask when the exams are held, more specifically are they held during the day or after work hours? If I was to choose this course, I'd be working full time whilst partaking the course part time.
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We don't offer jobs specifically for students, other than our paid student ambassador roles. But our careers service is free and available to all Birkbeck students and includes our in-house recruitment agency, Birkbeck Talent (www.bbk.ac.uk/student-services/careers-service), aimed at helping students find jobs while they're studying with us and after they graduate.

Birkbeck Talent also recently partnered up with Student Circus (https://studentcircus.com/), which finds jobs exclusively for international students in the UK.

I'd also suggest taking a look at our Working in the UK, as it has a lot of information for international students looking to work while they study with us:

http://www.bbk.ac.uk/international/working-graduates

-Peter
Thanks very much Peter. I'l check out the Student Circus link!
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