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Rebecca Long-Bailey (13)
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Angela Rayner (0)
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Clive Lewis (1)
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Keir Starmer (39)
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Jess Phillips (13)
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Emily Thornberry (5)
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Ian Lavery (1)
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Lisa Nandy (6)
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Okay but his persistence level is unimaginable
I wish u good luck in your debating
A recent example of Burton's debating skills...
"Why do I think its nonsense? Because it is it is total nonsense"
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A recent example of Burton's debating skills...
"Why do I think its nonsense? Because it is it is total nonsense"
In fairness that is one line and if he had said “Why do I think grass is green? Because it is green” it would be pretty darn valid.

Regardless imo labour would never have won with a pro remain view this time hence they sat on the fence. Next time they will as a week can be a long time in politics.

Being massively pro remain Starmer will have a little blotch against him but let’s face facts they all do. As per usual the candidates (whether for parties or the country) aren’t ideal.
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the economy needs RADICAL change, we cannot satisfice here for a soft left leader
despite there being several criticisms of Mr. Jeremy Corbyn, he conceptualised a vision for so many people in our country,
for me personally, he gave me hope in the political system

Rebecca Long-Bailey is the most tempting option to me right now, and this is premature still, because she fights for the same values
I respect Keir Starmer, but Brexit is happening, time to get over it! And, he seems very centrist on many policies, not bold and encouraging as I would want.

However, Jess Phillips!!! How on earth do people expect anything from her? Please educate yourselves before you even utter her name as a potential Labour leader. The same women who cuddled up with the racist/homophobic/misogynistic Rees-Mogg!! The same women who prided herself on "insulting" fellow Labour party member Ms. Diane Abbott, for no reason. She has a history of racist comments too, evidenced online. PLEASE do NOT consider a red tory as head of our party. Fighting against any injustices and inequalities is not centralised on any political side, and we have to call out our "own"
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Kier has declared officially.
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(Original post by Ruhab Dabeer)
Okay but his persistence level is unimaginable

I wish u good luck in your debating

Lol this section of the forum is covered with me and other's putting QE2 right. You certainly are correct his opinion is immovable in spite of suffering difficulty of repeatedly having such views completely proved as dishonest or untrue. I normally don't bother debunking his garbage anymore for the sanity of the other forum readers, but let's have one last ride on the boat, lol!!


(Original post by QE2)
Lol! You can't even come up with a reasonable excuse for your failure. :rofl:
What failure? Predicting the election results accurately? Why do you quote one line of my text completely out of context to make a wrong point? You do it regularly, it's very childish and makes you look silly. Then you do it again here


(Original post by QE2)
A recent example of Burton's debating skills...

"Why do I think its nonsense? Because it is it is total nonsense"
Nice snippet of my post, if you want too ignore all the substance of it. This might have something to do with your burning irony problem, maybe you should stop partaking in typing such ironic posts! Removing and/or ignoring all the content of my post which goes on to explain why its rubbish, doesn't add much to your debating skills :rolleyes:

Which brings me too another poster who has equally pointed out the gaping flaws in your argument. how many times can you get things completely wrong but still insist you are correct? Let's look at you post above #37



(Original post by QE2)
Wrong, because I did not claim that Remain agenda parties won more seats, merely that they gained more votes, which is true.
Rakas21 is not wrong as at all, in fact he spot on. You claimed below

(Original post by QE2)
An unequivocally pro-Remain, moderate Labour Party led by Starmer could easily have won the last election.
Your words, you typed? Those words mean you believe with Starmer and unequivocally pro-Remain stance, labour would of won. To win you need more seat, to win more seats you need Tories and floaters to vote for you. In England and Wales most constituencies voted to leave. This is the point the poster was making, you are completely unable too see due to your inflexibility and inability to see the wider picture.

(Original post by QE2)

The Labour Party should be election a Leader and formulating policies in the best interests of the nation. The idea is that people will the vote for them for that reason. It is nonsense to say that just because the Tories won on a platform of nationalism, xenophobia, misinformation and smear tactics, Labour should go down the same road.
How did the tories won on xenophobia? You are firmly stuck in the denial and anger stage of grief. To an election leader we need to be in touch with the majority of the electorate, currently we arnt.

Now for #30

(Original post by QE2)
I have never claimed that Remain is The Will of The People. In fact, I have repeatedly stated that there is no "will of the people" because "the people" are split over what they want. It is you who keeps insisting that around 50% represents 100%. It really isn't rocket science. Even you should be able to grasp it.

Well I can, the point is you are either straight up lying or you are chanting any rubbish because you refuse into accept you are incorrect? You have stated remain is the will of the people or words to that effect lord knows how many times.

Here's us just one such time https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho...6266918&page=6


So clearly you said there

(Original post by QE2)
You obviously hadn't noticed that pro-Remain parties received 2 million more votes than the pro-Brexit parties.

So Remain clearly is "the most popular and most democratic option", if you are claiming that the election was about Brexit.
I know you will wiggle around with some added insult, saying that you didn't say the will of the people you said the most democratic option in that quote, but you have used that term in other posts. Also your posts repeatedly spouting the misleading remain propaganda, that remain somehow won majority support in past elections. Which is totally incorrect and has been totally debunked and proven beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt by several posters on here, to be total nonsense! Cone to think of it, including in that topic I provided a link too if anyone wishes to read it. So again, for yet another time the only way remain parties won any election since 2015 is, when you discount parties with leave as their official policy or discount parties with neutrality as their official policy! The remain parties were totally rejected, the liberals did only marginally better than their 2015 slaughter!


Now there we go, I guess now I'm going to get a load of context removed snippets of sections of a sentence, combined with insult and ridicule back from this, as normal. Which is the reason I mostly ignore you nonsense.
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Kier has declared officially.
I dont think he will get it. I actually dont think any of the line up are ideal, I think Ian Lavery would be a great candidate to continue to offer a democratic socialist direction, and too regain links to the north of England, but the press would murder him.

The next labour leader needs to be very charismatic, unless they are a throw back to the right.
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I dont think he will get it. I actually dont think any of the line up are ideal, I think Ian Lavery would be a great candidate to continue to offer a democratic socialist direction, and too regain links to the north of England, but the press would murder him.

The next labour leader needs to be very charismatic, unless they are a throw back to the right.
Agreed. I fully expect Bailey to win.
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Agreed. I fully expect Bailey to win.
And she has no hope of turning the party around, she would be marginally better than a Angela Rayner but I'm sorry I'm dont think she has the charisma we need. Which is unfortunate because I actually quite like her and her poltical stance, bar the brexit denial. She suffers from the rotten core which cost us the major defeat, brexit denial. She will be seem in the north if England as part of the remain elite who think they are stupid.

I dont have an answer because as I said Ian Lavery would get hammered by the billionaire press, but hes in a much better position to connect with the north of England as he has consistently hit out at his party and other remain parties, for sniping at those who voted leave. Also his strong accent will link him to those north of the M25.

I guess I'd like to Frankenstein a person, to be leader lol
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And she has no hope of turning the party around, she would be marginally better than a Angela Rayner but I'm sorry I'm dont think she has the charisma we need. Which is unfortunate because I actually quite like her and her poltical stance, bar the brexit denial. She suffers from the rotten core which cost us the major defeat, brexit denial. She will be seem in the north if England as part of the remain elite who think they are stupid.
This is a very bold statement to make, but I actually think that Labour would be best sticking with Jeremy Corbyn for the next 6 months or so and focusing their efforts on deciding their next policies before deciding their next leader.

Electing Rebecca Long-Bailey as leader will show that the party has learned next to nothing from their defeat. Just because she represents Salford it cannot mask that she is clearly part of Corbyn's Metropolitan elite whilst completely lacking the "Ooh Jeremy Corbyn" charisma.

Changing party leader is just the tip of the iceberg. Labour needs to get rid of their Dad's Army shadow cabinet with gut-wrenching ministers like Diane Abbott and John McDonnell (both of which I suspect will stand down as MPs in 2024) and replace them with more sensible individuals.

I dont have an answer because as I said Ian Lavery would get hammered by the billionaire press, but hes in a much better position to connect with the north of England as he has consistently hit out at his party and other remain parties, for sniping at those who voted leave. Also his strong accent will link him to those north of the M25.
Strangely enough I think that Ian Lavery is clearly the best choice if Labour wants to re-connect with the working classes without degrees who live outside of London and the trendy towns, and is potentially seen as a good square deal type if he can counter the hostile mainstream media.
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This is a very bold statement to make, but I actually think that Labour would be best sticking with Jeremy Corbyn for the next 6 months or so and focusing their efforts on deciding their next policies before deciding their next leader.

Electing Rebecca Long-Bailey as leader will show that the party has learned next to nothing from their defeat. Just because she represents Salford it cannot mask that she is clearly part of Corbyn's Metropolitan elite whilst completely lacking the "Ooh Jeremy Corbyn" charisma.

Changing party leader is just the tip of the iceberg. Labour needs to get rid of their Dad's Army shadow cabinet with gut-wrenching ministers like Diane Abbott and John McDonnell (both of which I suspect will stand down as MPs in 2024) and replace them with more sensible individuals.



Strangely enough I think that Ian Lavery is clearly the best choice if Labour wants to re-connect with the working classes without degrees who live outside of London and the trendy towns, and is potentially seen as a good square deal type if he can counter the hostile mainstream media.
May I ask what political persuasion you come from, are you a labour member, supporter, floating voter, ?
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May I ask what political persuasion you come from, are you a labour member, supporter, floating voter, ?
Independent but my views are highly syncretic.
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watching Jess and Keir on Marr...

Keir has far more substance to what he's saying.. but I think for the voters actually Jess came across better. She was simpler, but clearer and came across as more honest/sincere.

Hes clearly very competent, but hes got a way to go if he wants to match Boris' ability in public.

I think his lead will be eroded, and even if he is the most competant candidate, I can't see him making it through the Labour membership.

His style of speaking appeals far more to tory voters than Labour voters.
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watching Jess and Keir on Marr...

Keir has far more substance to what he's saying.. but I think for the voters actually Jess came across better. She was simpler, but clearer and came across as more honest/sincere.

Hes clearly very competent, but hes got a way to go if he wants to match Boris' ability in public.

I think his lead will be eroded, and even if he is the most competant candidate, I can't see him making it through the Labour membership.

His style of speaking appeals far more to tory voters than Labour voters.
I think we need someone that can connect with the public in a real way than a polished politician. Kier Starmer does not do it for me or other members that I have spoken to about the forthcoming elections. I also think we need someone that can go beyond Brexit rather than their leadership being Remain 2.0.
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His style of speaking appeals far more to tory voters than Labour voters.
Surely not a bad thing if he can win the election, given that's who they'll want to target?
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Surely not a bad thing if he can win the election, given that's who they'll want to target?
Will the future of UK be in jeopardy???
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Jess Phillips is looking like a good bet, learnt nothing from the election so intends to double down on pissing off the North: campaigning to rejoin the EU and suggesting we are little more than a protectorate of the US/EU
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watching Jess and Keir on Marr...

Keir has far more substance to what he's saying.. but I think for the voters actually Jess came across better. She was simpler, but clearer and came across as more honest/sincere.

Hes clearly very competent, but hes got a way to go if he wants to match Boris' ability in public.

I think his lead will be eroded, and even if he is the most competant candidate, I can't see him making it through the Labour membership.

His style of speaking appeals far more to tory voters than Labour voters.
Honesty and sincerity doesn't win elections, just ask Jezza, especially when that honesty is to say things that the people you need to vote for you absolutely despise.
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Got to be Dan Jarvis for me
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Will the future of UK be in jeopardy???
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Cuz of Boris?
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