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Poll: Who do you want as Labour leader?
Rebecca Long-Bailey (13)
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Angela Rayner (0)
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Clive Lewis (1)
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Keir Starmer (39)
45.88%
Jess Phillips (13)
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Emily Thornberry (5)
5.88%
Ian Lavery (1)
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Lisa Nandy (6)
7.06%
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The North took a Brexit rejecting Labour party so well I'm sure they're going to support a Labour in favour of rejoining the EU
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Jess Philips is too woke for me. Also she is always very critical without holding a firm view herself.
Worryingly though out of that lot she is probably the most likely one I'd vote for.

Bottom of the list being Emily Thornberry. I think she is a terrible politican.

I think no one will unite Labour here. None will last and we will no doubt be having another Labour probably within a year.
I'd quite like a David Miliband to run but we need someone who can just put Brexit behind us and move on.
Almost all of these will try to oppose Brexit at everyturn and it will bite them on the ass come election time.
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I think we need someone that can connect with the public in a real way than a polished politician. Kier Starmer does not do it for me or other members that I have spoken to about the forthcoming elections. I also think we need someone that can go beyond Brexit rather than their leadership being Remain 2.0.
The question is exactly who does Keir Starmer connect with?

If he was a Leave supporter in a constituency in the north then it's safe to say that he epitomises a normal, or even a bit dull, but potentially competent politician for the ordinary folk in contrast to the wacky Jeremy Corbyn. Unfortunately he is badly marred by being Remain 2.0 and representing an inner London constituency whilst simultaneously lacking the charisma of Corbyn and appeal to the young graduates who live in London and trendy towns. He really is the worst of both worlds.

If Keir Starmer takes over as leader of Labour then expect to see the party squeezed as the working classes in the provincial towns to stick with the Conservatives and Brexit party and the young graduates who live in London and trendy towns to migrate to the Lib-Dems and the Greens.
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An inexperienced politician. A social liberal and a feminist who is too obsessed with LGBT. An SJW. A Remainer who will campaign for Britain to rejoin the EU. A committed Zionist!?! A Brummie!?!

She resonates with too small a sector of the electorate which, if it doesn't already vote Labour, mostly votes Lib-Dem or Green, to mount a serious challenge to the Conservatives or win back support from the working classes in the north of England who want a hard Brexit.
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Cuz of Boris?
I mean if you're talking about the continuation of a British state, then I certainly hope that's in jeopardy!
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The question is exactly who does Keir Starmer connect with?

If he was a Leave supporter in a constituency in the north then it's safe to say that he epitomises a normal, or even a bit dull, but potentially competent politician for the ordinary folk in contrast to the wacky Jeremy Corbyn. Unfortunately he is badly marred by being Remain 2.0 and representing an inner London constituency whilst simultaneously lacking the charisma of Corbyn and appeal to the young graduates who live in London and trendy towns. He really is the worst of both worlds.

If Keir Starmer takes over as leader of Labour then expect to see the party squeezed as the working classes in the provincial towns to stick with the Conservatives and Brexit party and the young graduates who live in London and trendy towns to migrate to the Lib-Dems and the Greens.
True. I worry that Kier Starmer may be viewed as a continuation of the London metro elite who don't care about the Workington Man. We definitely need someone outside the London bubble and one who can engage with the grassroots regardless of the political
leaning.

Someone like Angela Rayner or Jess Philips or even Lisa Nandy wont be accused on living the metro lifestyle since they come from the very towns that have been left behind by Tory cuts. From that point, we can then look for attributes that can be used against Boris Johnson. Corbyn was too exposed from being to London-centric to being to anti-everything. I mean he was an anti-EU politician until he became Leader and changed his mind.

Finally, I think Labour needs to be a proper left wing Party and not tory-lite. Many tories want Labour to be tory-lite so they win either way.
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I mean if you're talking about the continuation of a British state, then I certainly hope that's in jeopardy!
Yeah well the whole of British state and the hope of it is in peril
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True. I worry that Kier Starmer may be viewed as a continuation of the London metro elite who don't care about the Workington Man. We definitely need someone outside the London bubble and one who can engage with the grassroots regardless of the political
leaning.
There is a danger that Keir Starmer could fall into a similar trap Ed Milliband fell into - those on the 'right' thought he was too 'left' and those on the 'left' thought he was too 'right' 2015 was the best ever election for UKIP and the Green Party, both of which sapped a large number of votes from Labour.

Someone like Angela Rayner or Jess Philips or even Lisa Nandy wont be accused on living the metro lifestyle since they come from the very towns that have been left behind by Tory cuts. From that point, we can then look for attributes that can be used against Boris Johnson. Corbyn was too exposed from being to London-centric to being to anti-everything. I mean he was an anti-EU politician until he became Leader and changed his mind.
I don't think that a female leader primarily for the sake of her gender is a sensible decision. Angela Rayner is possibly suitable for deputy leader but Jess Phillips and Lisa Nandy are not really cut out for leader and they don't connect with the right voters despite representing constituencies outside of London.

Finally, I think Labour needs to be a proper left wing Party and not tory-lite. Many tories want Labour to be tory-lite so they win either way.
The question is, what exactly is a proper left wing party?

My previous post might help to throw some light on this question

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho...php?p=86668422
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There is a danger that Keir Starmer could fall into a similar trap Ed Milliband fell into - those on the 'right' thought he was too 'left' and those on the 'left' thought he was too 'right' 2015 was the best ever election for UKIP and the Green Party, both of which sapped a large number of votes from Labour.



I don't think that a female leader primarily for the sake of her gender is a sensible decision. Angela Rayner is possibly suitable for deputy leader but Jess Phillips and Lisa Nandy are not really cut out for leader and they don't connect with the right voters despite representing constituencies outside of London.



The question is, what exactly is a proper left wing party?

My previous post might help to throw some light on this question

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho...php?p=86668422
I agree with you on the point of Kier Starmer and I fear he is too ‘in between’ to have a good place.

Yes, we should not have a female leader for the sake of it but I am looking for a candidate (and Leader) who comes from outside the London bubble and can speak to the working class in a way that they view as true and real. Although people saw Corbyn as a decent candidate, his position was often marred by the “Islington elite” tag. Someone like Phillips or Rayner, who comes from areas that Boris Johnson and his peers despise will be able to speak and be listened to because most of what they say will be real and not ‘otherising’.

I think proper left wing should be real left leaning policies of big government, socialist policies, tighter regulations, support for the little man and better public presence. Some of the policies that Corbyn pushed to the fore. I think Corbyn, minus the anti-semitism attacks, was a good candidate but sadly was played by his own Party who preferred to listen to their mates than the country.

I agree with your other post about the real left. I am beginning to see that some on the “left” are left in name only. When they are presented with real socialist policies of higher taxes, more regulations and stricter rules, they run. Besides, the young generally appear to like the idea of socialism where it has to be them getting freebies. Many of them are not true lefties and will run when they are faced with real choices.

Finally, i think there needs to be a re-awakening of the Labour Party and the focus on real people. I’d rather have a Labour Party of little Corbyn, minus the anti-semitism, than big Blair with tory-lite policies. We also need to move away from being a protest movement plus support when we should support and oppose when it is needed.
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I think Emily Thornbery is the best aka Miss Piggy purely because she will make the Labour Party permanently unelectable!!

Its funny she said on Sky that in the new Parliament she had already persuaded the Tories to stop austerity, are you kidding me. a) it never happened and b) we need more of it namely get the millions sat on their butt claiming welfare with excuses such as chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia aka benefit buffet conditions into work.

Corbyn offered unlimited welfare - epic fail. Now lets slash the billions wasted on folk who see work as an inconvenience to their daily lives of doing nowt.

I recall recently a senior Sky exec telling its shareholders that any cuts to welfare are a major threat to their major revenue stream! Says it all really, spend yr generous handout on Sky then showup at a foodbank for free food, what are your priorities in life?!!
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Rebecca Long-Bailey effectively putting the nail in her own coffin by rating Corbyn 10 out of 10. Whichever way she meant it, whether it was about the man, or the policies shows her in a bad light. The Labour Party need to get as far away from him as possible, and her bringing Jezza up in her campaign has basically handed it to Starmer.
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Rebecca Long-Bailey effectively putting the nail in her own coffin by rating Corbyn 10 out of 10.
She gave him full Marx.
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No one because Labour are bad and the Tories are good.
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Barry Gardiner has also declared.
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Barry Gardiner has also declared.
I would consider adding him to the poll but is anyone seriously going to vote for him?
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I would consider adding him to the poll but is anyone seriously going to vote for him?
I imagine the constituency parties and membership might. He’s just as left but much more engaging than Bailey even if she’s anointed.

He’s a good chance of coming third possibly.
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I imagine the constituency parties and membership might. He’s just as left but much more engaging than Bailey even if she’s anointed.

He’s a good chance of coming third possibly.
In what way is he just as left? Just because he wasn't a wrecker under Corbyn does not make him left wing.
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In what way is he just as left? Just because he wasn't a wrecker under Corbyn does not make him left wing.
Gardiner to my knowledge has always been signed up to Corbynism albeit less socially obsessed with progressivism. Indeed in the 2017 election he was quite prominent.

Will you be supporting a pure candidate like Long Bailey.
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