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Original post by RogerOxon
IMO, Oxbridge should be seen as a "roll of the dice" application - there are plenty of other good univserities and courses. Some do manage to get in after a gap year, but they will need to meet a higher bar - they will be expected to have made academic progress during a gap year. I'm sorry to say that I don't think that A*A*A* on second attempt will be enough - it's not a higher level of study, and not really an achievement after three years of study and a gap year. I would strongly advise your daughter to talk to an Admissions Tutor to get a realistic view of if they would accept her - as you know it takes more than just grades.


I agree with you. You could make the point more gently, but I suspect that only being told the reality of the situation by a Cambridge Admissions Tutor will work. There's always post-grad.

Good luck.


I really love the way you describe applying to Oxbridge as a roll of the dice thing. If you get in, you get in. If you don't you don't, and the best thing to do is shrug your shoulders and move on to other unis.
Original post by OxFossil
I dont know you or your daughter, so I hesitate to make judgements about whether her (or your!) desires and plans are "reasonable".

As a general principle, though, I'd suggest that safeguarding your relationship through this whole process is key. You'll know how best to do this, but my feeling is that the most useful comments here are those which point out that it won't be helpful if you fall into a situation which reduce it to a battle of wills or ultimata.

I wonder if she can break down her desire to get to Cambs into a form that suggests other ways of attaining the same goals eg if she wants to get to Cambs "to get tuition from the best academics", are there other ways of achieving that? At the same time, you can discuss ways of addressing your concerns that might suggest solutions other than "Don't apply again" eg if she is going to apply again, could she do supercurricular activities or a part time job that will enhance her career prospects? In an ideal world (ha!) maybe this joint problem-solving will help you talk about these things whilst maintaining the feeling that you are both on the same side?

Er...that's what Mariella Frostrup would probably say in the Observer Agony Column, dont you think? It might not be so easy in real life, of course.

As a mother myself, I agree that the mother/daughter relationship is very important. I would let her apply to both Cambridge and other unis, but be there with hugs and sympathy if that third attempt fails.
Original post by Joe Pratt
Hey, that situation actually sucks! In my opinion, if they denied her without even giving her an interview I believe you are doing the right thing. Surely that is fate telling her she was not meant to go there. Advise her to apply for another University, besides...Cambridge is mostly full with snobs and dead nightlife. I know Russell Groups such as Southampton or even Newcastle are still prestigious and have better qualities than Cambridge.

It isn't.
Original post by gillianmac
Hi,

Last year after much stress and interviews, my daughter got offered a place to study English at Cambridge.

We were obviously all elated as it had been her dream for a long time and she put in so much effort to make it happen.

Unfortunately on results day, she missed her offer. Cambridge raised it to A*A*A as one interview performance was stronger than the other so gave her one higher instead of the standard A*AA offer. Her grades were A*BB, which we assured her were still very good grades and enough to get into her insurance, Exeter, just not what Cambridge were looking for.

She was devastated and decided to turn down the space at Exeter and reapply to Cambridge if she resat her A-Levels, while she would work in the meanwhile. Reluctantly, I agreed to this as she was chasing something she really wanted.

However, this time round, she was rejected from Cambridge without interview. She rang up and asked why but they didn't really give much of an explanation.

But, as Cambridge is seemingly the only place she wants to go to, she's decided to reapply again next year when she's got achieved A-Level grades of (hopefully) A*A*A*.

I've told her that she's being deluded but she keeps calling me unfair and mean; I just want her to see sense and see the Cambridge undergraduate dream is now virtually an impossibility.

Am I doing the right thing or is there anything I could say to convince her as she's dead set on reapplying again with achieved grades but I'm pretty sure that's futile.

Any advice?

TBF if she has confirmed grades she has a better chance to get in it'll all come down to another interview if she fails to get in for that 3rd and final time then you may have to tell her it's just not meant to be and shell have to go somewhere else but at this point she needs your love ans support it's not over yet .
Original post by adam271
Surpised at some of the responses.
Although I do not agree with the route she is taking I do not think she needs counselling or that she is wasting her life.

There seems to be a consenus in this thread that you need to get into university ASAP with maybe a minimal gap year. Complete nonsense.
By doing part-time work and retaking her A-levels she is still developing as a person and by no means stuck in a rot.
University is not the be all and end all. If you as you say is working part-time and plans to maybe go travelling then I do not see the issue.
Just means it will take her a few more years to decide what university she does want to go to if she doesnt get into Cambridge.

I agree that you don't need to go to university ASAP or at all. I don't think going to university is the issue here, but rather her lack of confidence and inability to adapt. The daughter's obsession with getting into Cambridge is damaging her self-confidence, as she is seemingly using whether she gets into Cambridge or not as a measure of self worth. As you say ger part-time work and travelling has value, so she needs help learning to appreciate the value of her current efforts. Part of maintaining confidence is also learning to accept it's okay to fail your goals, and being adaptable to setting new ones when you do. You are not always going to be able to achieve your goals in life, especially when your goal is as competitive as getting into Cambridge. The daughter needs to learn that maybe she will never get into Cambridge, but that's okay because she can find another path to fulfilment (which might not involve going to university at all). There comes a time when you have to realign at least some of your efforts to a new goal to ensure you're making personal progress.
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Wishing her all the luck whatever she decides. Has she thought of possibly trying for a masters there instead later?
Original post by squeakysquirrel
Actually the amount of firsts is increasing alarmingly


Agreed, but it's "number" :smile:
I haven't read the whole thread so this may have been said, but if she's so set on applying to Cambridge for English and is willing to forego other chances to keep trying, if she applied again with a view to being over 21 on 1 October of the year she started she could apply to one of the mature colleges (Hughes Hall, St Edmunds and Wolfson; Lucy Cavendish ceases to be a mature women's college from 2021). I'm calculating that this would be to start in October 2022. She will still need A*AA at least but they will welcome her application. She would be well advised to get suitable work in the meantime and do a GREAT deal of thoughtful reading. One thing that Cambridge interviewers to not like are people who are more enthusiastic about getting into Cambridge than they are about the subject they want to study. But if she proves her mettle prior to applying one of the mature colleges would look kindly at her application.

It seems fair to say, though, that she might still foul up her interview and get rejected... But mature candidates are called mature for good reason.
Original post by gillianmac
I've mentioned the possibility of going there for a Masters later down the line, but it doesn't seem to appeal.

I'm doing my masters in the English faculty at Cambridge at the minute. I didn't get any A-Levels, let alone the 3A*'s your daughter is aiming for, and thus took a more unconventional route to get here. It's a phenomenal place, as I'm sure your daughter would agree - but I'm so unbelievably glad I didn't come here for my undergraduate. I can't even put into words. At that age, the pace of everything going on here would have been too relentless for me, and I'm sure would have put me off the subject for life. It's difficult enough as it is for a 9-month MPhil.

Of course, your daughter may be different, and, like many students here, may flourish and thrive under the pressure, should she be successful in her next application. But, I will be honest - even with a first-class degree at undergraduate, several years of work experience behind me, and a PhD on the horizon, I am struggling at Cambridge. It is bloody hard - and I am incredibly grateful for the experience I had elsewhere at my undergraduate. I made incredible professional links, which have come in handy to return to for my postgraduate applications, and wonderful friends. I had time to pursue extracurricular activities - sports, starting my own business, working part-time, an internship in a subject completely outside of English, networking opportunities - many of the kind of things I am struggling to fit into my schedule at Cambridge, but things which are key to my 'soft' skill development outside of academia.

Please PM me if you have specific questions about the English department or Cambridge, or even my undergraduate experience elsewhere, I'll be happy to answer. But you are right in what you are saying to her - Cambridge is not the be-all and end-all to academia or university or education, and if she really wants it, postgraduate opportunities are always there - and may allow her to stay here even longer than an undergraduate degree would, too.
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They will not accept her as they do not value retakes ,sorry, but it’s true.I like others worry about this fixation and the mental implications.Go to uni please, you could of been 2 years in, do well and apply for your masters to Cambridge 👍🏼
Original post by 1st superstar
Lmfao true like bro take me to the USA and I will be one of the top students of the country (no joke)


Well lolllll ... USA has many many many Asians who are smarter than most people from the UK
Your daughter could save herself a whole load of grief if she applies for a decent university that will give her an unconditional offer to start in 2020 based on the grades she already has. She can yhen drop out of school, do a bit of travelling and chill for the rest of this year till September. A decent Russell Group degree followed up with a Cambridge MA will get her to where she wants to be in the same number of years without anywhere near the stress.To be honest, I think you need a bit of tough love - the people who get into Cambridge get their grades 1st time. Her obsession isn't healthy - and its a shame her teachers weren't more honest with her when she got her grades.
Original post by RogerOxon
Have you ever been to Cambridge?

Yeah, did not like it at all. Way too formal. Did not seem fun at all.
Original post by rogis
They will not accept her as they do not value retakes ,sorry, but it’s true.I like others worry about this fixation and the mental implications.Go to uni please, you could of been 2 years in, do well and apply for your masters to Cambridge 👍🏼

My sister applied to Cambridge, got an offer and missed her grades. She retook and applied the year after and got accepted.
Original post by Joe Pratt
Yeah, did not like it at all. Way too formal. Did not seem fun at all.

What was "too formal"?
Original post by .unknown
Why would it be "so much better for future employers" better than what?

It shows that she is able to work her way around issues and come up with a stronger outcome. Rather than study her undergraduate at Cambridge and her postgraduate somewhere else, studying her undergraduate at Exeter shows that she is able to overcome problems, and her postgraduate at Cambridge will look much more specialised. Also, if employers see that she had to resit A levels three times just to get into Cambridge, it may come across as though she was not hard working or intelligent enough to pass the first two times (of course this is not the case, she clearly is very clever and hard working but this is how it may come across).
Also, I asked this advice to my dad who heads the HR department for a law firm in London so I'm not just making it up :smile:

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