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We were all told how cold it was going to be etc. Know winter isn't even over yet, but I would have thoght we would have had a taste of something colder by now. Where I am in the southeast and probs for most of the country a lot of days have been in the very low teens (10-12) and it hasn't got to freezing, coldest day so far was the 1st where i was where it didn't get above 6C.
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I didn't hear that
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I didn't hear that
didn't hear what?
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Yeah for the whole winter I never had to wear my massive coat just a thin one and sometimes even a t-shirt. General rule is if we have a freezing winter we have a boiling summer. We are gonna have a cold summer now. Greta Thunberg was right😂😂
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didn't hear what?
That we were due for the coldest winter in 60 years
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If this is from the daily express long term weather forecast, it’s worth noting these are made by an individual whose forecasts are usually wrong.

https://www.skeptical-science.com/pe...daily-express/
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There's still time!!!!
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If this is from the daily express long term weather forecast, it’s worth noting these are made by an individual whose forecasts are usually wrong.

https://www.skeptical-science.com/pe...daily-express/
It wasn't, James Madden is a liar. It was from some long term study, that was actually in proper newspapers.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/08/new-b...ears-10706341/
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Yeah for the whole winter I never had to wear my massive coat just a thin one and sometimes even a t-shirt. General rule is if we have a freezing winter we have a boiling summer. We are gonna have a cold summer now. Greta Thunberg was right😂😂
Is there any actual evidence for that rule? seems interesting. 2018 had cold winter, summer was hot but what about 2019? there were a lot of cold days but we also had 20C in february and still had a hot summer.
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(Original post by Ferrograd)
We were all told how cold it was going to be etc. Know winter isn't even over yet, but I would have thoght we would have had a taste of something colder by now. Where I am in the southeast and probs for most of the country a lot of days have been in the very low teens (10-12) and it hasn't got to freezing, coldest day so far was the 1st where i was where it didn't get above 6C.
Daily Express? They are bull****ters. Why they are allowed to exaggerate headlines, ban them
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We were all told how cold it was going to be etc. Know winter isn't even over yet, but I would have thoght we would have had a taste of something colder by now. Where I am in the southeast and probs for most of the country a lot of days have been in the very low teens (10-12) and it hasn't got to freezing, coldest day so far was the 1st where i was where it didn't get above 6C.
This is not correct.

As somebody who has been a member of Netweather for more than a decade I can tell you that the Met Office and ECWMF seasonal (pretty much the only statistically respectable seasonal models) were both gunning for a pretty poor winter.

Forecasts of a cold winter sold to papers are just from odd folk who wishcast and should never be believed. We had a run of northern blocking in November which got people excited but that gave way to a strong polar vortex pretty quickly.
(Original post by Ferrograd)
It wasn't, James Madden is a liar. It was from some long term study, that was actually in proper newspapers.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/08/new-b...ears-10706341/
James Madden is an idiot to the weather community. He hit on a poor summer once while doing his a levels and got a website together. He is wrong almost every season.
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Yeah for the whole winter I never had to wear my massive coat just a thin one and sometimes even a t-shirt. General rule is if we have a freezing winter we have a boiling summer. We are gonna have a cold summer now. Greta Thunberg was right😂😂
That is again not backed up by statistics. There is almost no link between the summer CET and the following winter albeit there is a link between cold winters being followed by poor summers.
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To be fair, winter started on 22nd December 2019 and ends on the 18th March 2020.

It's still very early days.
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This is not correct.

As somebody who has been a member of Netweather for more than a decade I can tell you that the Met Office and ECWMF seasonal (pretty much the only statistically respectable seasonal models) were both gunning for a pretty poor winter.

Forecasts of a cold winter sold to papers are just from odd folk who wishcast and should never be believed. We had a run of northern blocking in November which got people excited but that gave way to a strong polar vortex pretty quickly.

James Madden is an idiot to the weather community. He hit on a poor summer once while doing his a levels and got a website together. He is wrong almost every season.

That is again not backed up by statistics. There is almost no link between the summer CET and the following winter albeit there is a link between cold winters being followed by poor summers.
I had a feeling it was a myth, interesting
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We were all told how cold it was going to be etc. Know winter isn't even over yet, but I would have thoght we would have had a taste of something colder by now. Where I am in the southeast and probs for most of the country a lot of days have been in the very low teens (10-12) and it hasn't got to freezing, coldest day so far was the 1st where i was where it didn't get above 6C.
Link to soemthing relevant so we know what you are referring to.
Winters have for the most part been getting milder for decades as temperatures increase.
S Hardly ever gets any snow these days.
Colder in North, but even there winters a lot less severe.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
This is not correct.

As somebody who has been a member of Netweather for more than a decade I can tell you that the Met Office and ECWMF seasonal (pretty much the only statistically respectable seasonal models) were both gunning for a pretty poor winter.

Forecasts of a cold winter sold to papers are just from odd folk who wishcast and should never be believed. We had a run of northern blocking in November which got people excited but that gave way to a strong polar vortex pretty quickly.

James Madden is an idiot to the weather community. He hit on a poor summer once while doing his a levels and got a website together. He is wrong almost every season.

That is again not backed up by statistics. There is almost no link between the summer CET and the following winter albeit there is a link between cold winters being followed by poor summers.
OK take your word for it. Asked the OP to back it up.
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It is early days but in theory this winter should be cold, because October was cold and November was actually very cold. I mean in the south, we had days of around 6-8C, so the same temps we are basically getting now, lots of frost too, and the BBC and Weather Channel had even forecast some snow. December was not as cold and got milder to the end. Accuweather claiming cold spell on the 24th 25th, snow in parts of the south and temps at around 4C with a low of -2c.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
This is not correct.

As somebody who has been a member of Netweather for more than a decade I can tell you that the Met Office and ECWMF seasonal (pretty much the only statistically respectable seasonal models) were both gunning for a pretty poor winter.

Forecasts of a cold winter sold to papers are just from odd folk who wishcast and should never be believed. We had a run of northern blocking in November which got people excited but that gave way to a strong polar vortex pretty quickly.

James Madden is an idiot to the weather community. He hit on a poor summer once while doing his a levels and got a website together. He is wrong almost every season.

That is again not backed up by statistics. There is almost no link between the summer CET and the following winter albeit there is a link between cold winters being followed by poor summers.
So by that standard, Summer 2018 should have been much like August 2019, wet, much colder than average
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Link to soemthing relevant so we know what you are referring to.
Winters have for the most part been getting milder for decades as temperatures increase.
S Hardly ever gets any snow these days.
Colder in North, but even there winters a lot less severe.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9096601.html
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Did you actually read that link? It does not say anything about this winter being the coldest in 60 years at all. It says it might be among the seven coldest in thirty years, which is nothing to write home about, just being among the coldest 25% or so in that period. Or, if you prefer a longer period, among the 23 coldest since 1953 - among the coldest third. Not really all that cold at all.
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Did you actually read that link? It does not say anything about this winter being the coldest in 60 years at all. It says it might be among the seven coldest in thirty years, which is nothing to write home about, just being among the coldest 25% or so in that period. Or, if you prefer a longer period, among the 23 coldest since 1953 - among the coldest third. Not really all that cold at all.
Some were claiming coldest in 60 years, other in 30 years.
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