M577 – Contempt of Parliament Motion 2020 Watch

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Just to confirm, you are saying that whilst this house may act as the Welsh Assembly, and regardless of IRL legislation act for it or exercise it's power, the votes of members of this House who are IRL English, or just not-welsh, don't count on those items?
Morally I don't believe their voices should carry a huge amount of weight on issues devolved to Wales.
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Morally I don't believe their voices should carry a huge amount of weight on issues devolved to Wales.
Excellent, are you going to be abstaining on any England only legislation or should Welsh MPs have equal weight irrespective of where legislation covers?
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Several times, Her Majesty’s Government have made it clear of our position on the matter. The proposers of the original motion in question have the right to bring forward legislation on the subject of Cardiff Airport and the legislation will be scrutinised in the normal way.

The motion was non-binding and does not force Her Majesty’s Government to take a course of action. The Labour Party is against privatisation in all forms and has made it clear, we will not back down on this principle - and never will.

Bring forward a bill on the matter and it shall be debated and voted on.

I will vote against this contempt motion.
This actively goes against the founding principles of the Labour Party, as MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Brown took elements of the public sector and made it private. To rule out the option of privatisation, irrespective of the conditions, is downright idiotic and it's proof that this hard-left dogmatic socialist Labour Party has no right governing over Britain. If they hold Parliament in contempt, what will they go for next?
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A simple question to the proposers: do they believe that Boris Johnson should resign as PM?
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First a motion, then a petition and now this? Stop being lazy and write your own bill. This achieves nothing.
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(Original post by Jammy Duel)
Excellent, are you going to be abstaining on any England only legislation or should Welsh MPs have equal weight irrespective of where legislation covers?
If you want to put forward an English Parliament bill I will be the first to vote for it.
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If you want to put forward an English Parliament bill I will be the first to vote for it.
That wasn't the question
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First a motion, then a petition and now this? Stop being lazy and write your own bill. This achieves nothing.
This is the first step towards MoNCing them T - it shows an initial disapproval in their actions and gives us an idea of numbers, also unlike a MoNC it is not a secret ballot so we can figure out exactly who can be convinced.
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This is the first step towards MoNCing them T - it shows an initial disapproval in their actions and gives us an idea of numbers, also unlike a MoNC it is not a secret ballot so we can figure out exactly who can be convinced.
It doesn't though, the numbers remain completely against you and gives you no idea on numbers because it seems you will be having several voting against this because it is petty crap.
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(Original post by Jammy Duel)
A simple question to the proposers: do they believe that Boris Johnson should resign as PM?
The Prime Minister's name is JMR2020.
(Original post by Jammy Duel)
It doesn't though, the numbers remain completely against you and gives you no idea on numbers because it seems you will be having several voting against this because it is petty crap.
If this fails, it will still give us an idea on the numbers.
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You honestly think Rand would have supported the government borrowing huge sums of money to act as an investment bank, I propose you read her works again; perhaps Smith too given his view that taxation to stimulate the economy is not a good idea given that taxation is just lost economic activity; hell, even Keynesian economics disagrees with it given Keynes only endorses deficit spending during contraction, times such as these should be times of surplus to pay off the debts accumulated during the contraction, not time to pile the debt higher at a rate of 5% of GDP per annum. And why stop there, let's go one step further and ask a simple question: if borrowing tens of billions of pounds a year is the way to grow a magic money tree then why is it that in the ~200 nations in the world, and all the different governments of different ideologies over the decades, nobody has implemented such a policy? It's almost as if it makes no sense to take out a loan to make an investment with that being solely to pay off the original loan, and in the meantime making any other borrowing you wish to engage in more expensive. The more you borrow the more expensive it becomes to borrow more, hence why governments don't so arbitrarily borrow

I am also intrigued as to how the "loony left" would not be in government if I did do a Connor and walk up to the Tories is coalition negotiations and say "we want nothing, we will let you drive the deficit up as much as you like, we will do anything demanded in exchange for nothing" given the numbers still would not work. Nobody forces you to follow suit, it is entirely your decision just as it is your decision now to believe whatever Connor and/or Rakas is telling you that somehow build
We had a coalition agreement that woukd have worked until you threw your toys out of the pram and demanded all sorts of things.

And SWFs do work. Have you ever heard of the Norwegian State Pensions Fund? Such a fund would allow us to cut taxes as there would be another sourcd of income.
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That wasn't the question
Well if you're unable to read between the lines, I'll put it explicitly: when there's a free-standing English Parliament I'm very happy to do so.
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Although a MONC or a bill itself to sort the initial issue would have sufficed, I am however in support of this motion.
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Statements in this motion are grossly misled, therefore I oppose it, even if I probably won't be able to vote on it.
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This is the first step towards MoNCing them T - it shows an initial disapproval in their actions and gives us an idea of numbers, also unlike a MoNC it is not a secret ballot so we can figure out exactly who can be convinced.
It shows one thing: that either your aim or your party's aim is not to scrutinise and oppose based on policy but simply to bring down the government. I'll admit this is a very weak government without strong leadership, but it's very early in the term to be aiming for MoNCs.
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We had a coalition agreement that woukd have worked until you threw your toys out of the pram and demanded all sorts of things.

And SWFs do work. Have you ever heard of the Norwegian State Pensions Fund? Such a fund would allow us to cut taxes as there would be another sourcd of income.
A sovereign wealth fund could work as a long term solution in Scotland to North Sea oil, I don't see it making much difference elsewhere in the UK, there wouldn't be the sizeable difference that would allow for anything but a short term tax cut and a long term industrial profit drain.
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The Prime Minister's name is JMR2020.

If this fails, it will still give us an idea on the numbers.
It really doesn't though, unless the MonC were to be an extension of this motion

(Original post by Saracen's Fez)
Well if you're unable to read between the lines, I'll put it explicitly: when there's a free-standing English Parliament I'm very happy to do so.
So your moral argument holds no water, you believe on moral ground that non Welsh AMs should be ignored because they are not Welsh, however non-English MPs should be listened to because lol England

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A sovereign wealth fund could work as a long term solution in Scotland to North Sea oil, I don't see it making much difference elsewhere in the UK, there wouldn't be the sizeable difference that would allow for anything but a short term tax cut and a long term industrial profit drain.
But that is not what has been implemented, rather a SWF funded via borrowing, the first of its kind in the world, so much of a magic money tree that it appears no government of any political persuasion anywhere in the world is willing to drive up their cost of borrowing so they can pay off a debt they have only accrued due to the fund.
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We had a coalition agreement that woukd have worked until you threw your toys out of the pram and demanded all sorts of things.

And SWFs do work. Have you ever heard of the Norwegian State Pensions Fund? Such a fund would allow us to cut taxes as there would be another sourcd of income.
Norwegian State Pension Fund: not funded via borrowing, it is funded via oil revenues and pension contributions.

You have been invited to discuss this internally, I suggest you take up the offer before talking about stuff you literally have no clue about, there was no deal because Rakas refused to accept 25% of the cost of the deficit reduction plan, despite the Tories controlling 90% of the budget and us agreeing to take just as large a hit to spending priorities. If you want to talk about the coalition negotiations I suggest you get clued up on them first.

I also once again invite you to explain to me how, 20 seats is greater than 28 seats.
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Well well well, what do we have here.

I think this issue is getting frankly overblown and out of hand. The authors of this motion (or anyone else for that matter) should at this point either just write a bill for the House to vote on, or go for a MoNC if they feel this issue is enough for a success in that respect.
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Well well well, what do we have here.

I think this issue is getting frankly overblown and out of hand. The authors of this motion (or anyone else for that matter) should at this point either just write a bill for the House to vote on, or go for a MoNC if they feel this issue is enough for a success in that respect.
Oui oui,
I'm probably abstaining on this motion on the grounds I have no idea why it has to exist, and I've now become apathetic to the whole airport malarky. If I could actually write the bill then I would give it a shot but my bill making skills are a crime against legislation everywhere :lol:
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