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The term “Conservatism” seems very subjective because there Are self-proclaimed Conservatives have their own ideas and visions of conservatism.

1.There are the populist conservatives that’d call themselves “real conservatives” due to believe in strong borders, traditional marriage, traditional family values, pro Brexit, Pro Trump, anti-abortion types. Those type of conservatives tend not to be very right wing on economics but they would reject socialism.

2.There’s the liberal wing of conservatives that’d often get called “fake conservatives” or “Cuckservatives” due to their socially liberal stance likes pro open borders, pro multiculturalism, pro abortion, pro same sex marriage, anti-Brexit and disagree with many Trump polices. Despite their socially liberal stances, they tend to be more right wing on the economy than the populists/nationalist.

What’s your definition of “conservatism”?
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(Original post by RealLifeJoker)
The term “Conservatism” seems very subjective because there Are self-proclaimed Conservatives have their own ideas and visions of conservatism.

1.There are the populist conservatives that’d call themselves “real conservatives” due to believe in strong borders, traditional marriage, traditional family values, pro Brexit, Pro Trump, anti-abortion types. Those type of conservatives tend not to be very right wing on economics but they would reject socialism.

2.There’s the liberal wing of conservatives that’d often get called “fake conservatives” or “Cuckservatives” due to their socially liberal stance likes pro open borders, pro multiculturalism, pro abortion, pro same sex marriage, anti-Brexit and disagree with many Trump polices. Despite their socially liberal stances, they tend to be more right wing on the economy than the populists/nationalist.

What’s your definition of “conservatism”?
The difference stems from the small c and big c definitions.

Type one as you describe are broadly traditionally conservative because of an empathis on the moral aspects of conservatism. This branch of conservatism is inspired by Burke and Disraeli.

Type two is in many ways much more similar to Victorian liberalism with an emphasis on individual liberty. It was reborn in Thatcher who while a hybrid of the two has over time weakened to resemble a more moderate but pure incarnation of the 1840-1920 strain of Liberal Party ideology.

Most Conservative Party voters today are a hybrid. Less economically liberal than the Thatcherites of the 80’s and 90’s but still somewhat socially conservative.
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The difference stems from the small c and big c definitions.

Type one as you describe are broadly traditionally conservative because of an empathis on the moral aspects of conservatism. This branch of conservatism is inspired by Burke and Disraeli.

Type two is in many ways much more similar to Victorian liberalism with an emphasis on individual liberty. It was reborn in Thatcher who while a hybrid of the two has over time weakened to resemble a more moderate but pure incarnation of the 1840-1920 strain of Liberal Party ideology.

Most Conservative Party voters today are a hybrid. Less economically liberal than the Thatcherites of the 80’s and 90’s but still somewhat socially conservative.
I may be wrong on some of them but this what I think.

Left wing Tories:
-David Cameron
-George Osborne
-Theresa May
-Heidi Allen
-Rory Stewart
-Nick Boles
-Phillip Hammond
-Sajid Javid

Centre wing Tories:
-Ian Duncan Smith
-William Hague
-James Cleverly
-Boris Johnson
-Dominic Raab

Right wing Tories:
-Margret Tatcher
-Ann Widdecombe
-Jacob Rees-Mogg
-Priti Patel
-Steve Baker
-Esther McVey
-David TC Davies
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I may be wrong on some of them but this what I think.

Left wing Tories:
-David Cameron
-George Osborne
-Theresa May
-Heidi Allen
-Rory Stewart
-Nick Boles
-Phillip Hammond
-Sajid Javid

Centre wing Tories:
-Ian Duncan Smith
-William Hague
-James Cleverly
-Boris Johnson
-Dominic Raab

Right wing Tories:
-Margret Tatcher
-Ann Widdecombe
-Jacob Rees-Mogg
-Priti Patel
-Steve Baker
-Esther McVey
-David TC Davies
Raab should be shifted to right. Cameron, Hammond and Javid to center.
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as someone who's lived in three countries on three different continents, i would say it depends on what you are using as the barometer. what are you using as the barometer?

as a Canadian, strong borders is not a 'real conservative' policy as you've suggested in your op. i've lived all over Canada and actually used to work in Canadian immigration. never ever heard a Canadian suggest we should adopt easy or open borders, yet we are one of the most liberal countries in the world. so why do you think this is a 'real conservative' policy?

you can be pro traditional marriage, pro traditional family values, etc and still be politically liberal in that you don't think it's the government's job to dictate family values. so imo it depends on what you think the government's job is, as opposed to specific policy. this is why i don't think supporting a specific policy makes you one thing or the other. wadda you think?
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Type one as you describe are broadly traditionally conservative because of an empathis on the moral aspects of conservatism. This branch of conservatism is inspired by Burke and Disraeli.
Not any more. Burke would regard the Type 1 right as stupid and reckless. Burkean conservatism was in large part about slowing the pace of change, knowing where and when to retreat on some issues in order to maintain control on more important ones. The modern right of the kind described in Type 1 has become much more of a tribal identity and a political philosophy, often set on outright reversing change rather than simply controlling its pace and direction. Particularly in the US, they are setting themselves up for a very dangerous fall.
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