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Do you need a personal statement and/or references for applying to medical/surgical specialty training in the UK? I know, you of course need it to enter medical school but not sure about specialty training.
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Hi,
Do you need a personal statement and/or references for applying to medical/surgical specialty training in the UK? I know, you of course need it to enter medical school but not sure about specialty training.
Thanks.
What stage are you in now?

"Personal statements" (it's not called that) depends on the specialty. References is required for ALL jobs.

For example for IMT (Internal Medicine Training) which uses the Oriel application system there is a "Supporting" section which has 2 free text entry forms (400 word limit for "commitment to specialty", 150 word limit for "achievements outside medicine" ).

https://www.imtrecruitment.org.uk/re...plication-form
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What stage are you in now?

It depends on the specialty.

For example for IMT (Internal Medicine Training) which uses the Oriel application system there is a "Supporting" section which has 2 free text entry forms (400 word limit for "commitment to specialty", 150 word limit for "achievements outside medicine" ).

https://www.imtrecruitment.org.uk/re...plication-form
I am currently an intern. Honestly, I have not yet decided which specialty I will apply to. I was just thinking whether I would have to find referees and write a personal statement for training in the UK.
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By the way ecolier IMT recruitment website states that interviews are sent according to the automated scores that are generated based upon the information candidates provide regarding their achievements etc... This process is objective as far as I know. What difference could personal statement and references make then?

Edit: Oh I see that the original reply I had posted is still under moderation review. This one is actually the second message haha...
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By the way ecolier IMT recruitment website states that interviews are sent according to the automated scores that are generated based upon the information candidates provide regarding their achievements etc... This process is objective as far as I know. What difference could personal statement and references make then?

Edit: Oh I see that the original reply I had posted is still under moderation review. This one is actually the second message haha...
It's still rated according to things you put in the forms.

For most specialty applications, interview is much more important compared to the application scoring. Obviously for competitive jobs, every point (or even half point!) counts.
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It's still rated according to things you put in the forms.

For most specialty applications, interview is much more important compared to the application scoring. Obviously for competitive jobs, every point (or even half point!) counts.
ecolier If jobs are given purely on the basis of points awarded at the interview and (to a less extent from the) application score, what use is the personal statement and reference of?
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ecolier If jobs are given purely on the basis of points awarded at the interview and (to a less extent from the) application score, what use is the personal statement and reference of?
It's not purely based on interview though, for example for IMT out of 97 points, 80 come from interview and 17 is from application (that's a maximum of 68 divided by 4).
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ecolier If jobs are given purely on the basis of points awarded at the interview and (to a less extent from the) application score, what use is the personal statement and reference of?
Don't know about the PS as we didn't have to do them in my specialty (anaesthetics) but the references are basically a backup check, rather than part of the selection process. I think they only contact referees once they've made offers to people, and it's essentially to check that you are who you say you are, have worked in the posts you've said and there aren't any clinical concerns.
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It's not purely based on interview though, for example for IMT out of 97 points, 80 come from interview and 17 is from application (that's a maximum of 68 divided by 4).
ecolier Yup, a maximum of 17 points are there for how the application is, but it itself is determined by the "objective" elements of the application on which transparent points are awarded like additional undergraduate degrees, postgraduate degrees if any, number of presentation, number of publications, awards/distinctions etc...If all these things are same, how does a different personal statement and reference affect the score?
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Don't know about the PS as we didn't have to do them in my specialty (anaesthetics) but the references are basically a backup check, rather than part of the selection process. I think they only contact referees once they've made offers to people, and it's essentially to check that you are who you say you are, have worked in the posts you've said and there aren't any clinical concerns.
Helenia Thanks for mentioning that. Do you believe this whole process of selection is objective?
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Helenia Thanks for mentioning that. Do you believe this whole process of selection is objective?
I think it has become much more objective over the last few years. Don't know the details of IMT recruitment but certainly in anaesthetics the scoring criteria for the portfolio side of things is widely available and clear. There will always be an element of subjectivity but how can that be avoided?
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I think it has become much more objective over the last few years. Don't know the details of IMT recruitment but certainly in anaesthetics the scoring criteria for the portfolio side of things is widely available and clear. There will always be an element of subjectivity but how can that be avoided?
Thanks for your valuable response. And ecolier your response was valuable too.
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ecolier Yup, a maximum of 17 points are there for how the application is, but it itself is determined by the "objective" elements of the application on which transparent points are awarded like additional undergraduate degrees, postgraduate degrees if any, number of presentation, number of publications, awards/distinctions etc...If all these things are same, how does a different personal statement and reference affect the score?
I think your free text entry will be available to the interviewers, and they will ask you that during the interviews.

As @Helenia said specialty recruitment is much more objective than in the past.

https://www.imtrecruitment.org.uk/re...erview-scoring <- see Station 1. That's when they will ask you about what you have done.

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Thanks for your valuable response. And ecolier your response was valuable too.
No problem.
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