Trump bans Chinese from entering US due to Coronavirus Watch

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I don't believe I ever said it wasn't necessary, I am saying the manner in which it is being conducted is incredibly risky. The coach drivers have not even been quarentined themselves.
Yes but what do you propose as the solution? Somebody has to help reduce the spread of the disease. And you can't quarantine all doctors and nurses can you. And there is no vaccine! Leadership is needed!
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Literally, the drivers weren't even quarantined afterwards they were simply given 10 days off work
Exactly. Shows the ignorance of those conducting the evacuation and quarantine. 🙄
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Yes but what do you propose as the solution? Somebody has to help reduce the spread of the disease. And you can't quarantine all doctors and nurses can you. And there is no vaccine! Leadership is needed!
Yes and to reduce spread, people being directly exposed to those evacuated should be quarantined. The virus is infectious during its incubation period so waiting until symptoms appear won’t help. The doctors and nurses were able to wear suits, the bus drivers were wearing no protection and got to go home (were only asked to stay inside for 10 days, when the virus could become apparent 4 days after that).
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Yes but what do you propose as the solution? Somebody has to help reduce the spread of the disease. And you can't quarantine all doctors and nurses can you. And there is no vaccine! Leadership is needed!
There's no ideal situation but they could have definitely been quarantined closer to where the plane landed or at least not transported in such a lax manner by coach

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Exactly. Shows the ignorance of those conducting the evacuation and quarantine. 🙄
It's all ok though as apparently we are meant to trust what the government is doing :lol:
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Exactly. Shows the ignorance of those conducting the evacuation and quarantine. 🙄
Wow. Listen to you armchair critics! So using your amazing logic, health care professionals should also be quarantined as well at every hospital where there is a suspicion of corona virus?
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(Original post by CoolCavy)
There's no ideal situation but they could have definitely been quarantined closer to where the plane landed or at least not transported in such a lax manner by coach


It's all ok though as apparently we are meant to trust what the government is doing :lol:
Yep the government who have taken basically no measures to protect our citizens (the leaflets/posters at the airport for those arriving from Wuhan, rather than block travel until they found out exactly when and how infectious the disease was) and have little to no experience with dealing with such an infectious outbreak. Also saw a video from inside a waiting room where suspected infected people had been and those in close contact with them for a long time were sent home and told to watch out for symptoms, even though by then it was known it was infectious during incubation.


Now the bus driver thing ... 🤦*♀️ People could start dropping dead in the streets and they’ll still be like “the threat to the public remains low, NHS is good 🙂🙂🙂”.
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Wow. Listen to you armchair critics! So using your amazing logic, health care professionals should also be quarantined as well at every hospital where there is a suspicion of corona virus?
No. The bus driver was literally in a bus with many people who had just travelled directly from Wuhan, if one of them is infected he will most likely also become infected. Not to mention staff on the flight were also quarantined. Those patients in hospitals get tested quickly so it’s known whether the suspicion was correct or not, since anyone who suspects they have it are exhibiting symptoms so can be tested. This means staff there will not have to be quarantined if the suspicion is false, and most will wear protective gear as precaution anyway. As long as suspected cases stop going to the gp instead of calling 111 then it should be easier to handle as there will be precautionary measures taken to prevent the spread if the patient tests positive.
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Sure :yy:
Seems like a great decision to drive them half way across the country on a commercial coach rather than transferring them to the nearest hospital to the airport Seems an even better decision to station them next to an incredibly busy hospital that has a maternity ward next to where they are staying. Where they are staying is the accommodation doctors from the hospital live in.
Perhaps think of the families that are jeopardised from these people if this outbreak is released to the densely populated local area, it's not only their families that matter. What about the families that got turfed out from their buildings with little notice? Or is it only the families of expats that matter.
The passengers were given a full health screening before and after they boarded the plane, and monitored throughout entire journey as well as the buses being given a deep cleaning. I think you are being a bit selfish, could see it a different story if it was your daughter/son over there. On that note you should also be complaining that the UK hasn’t blocked all flights from China? They’re were likely not transferred to the nearest hospital as it wouldn’t have the right staff/ facilities to properly quarantine and monitor them.

There are reasons for what the UK is doing and I’m sure they have devised a better plan than what you could. Otherwise you would be working for hospitals/government and helping them come up with a better idea right? .... right?
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The passengers were given a full health screening before and after they boarded the plane, and monitored throughout entire journey as well as the buses being given a deep cleaning. I think you are being a bit selfish, could see it a different story if it was your daughter/son over there. On that note you should also be complaining that the UK hasn’t blocked all flights from China? They’re were likely not transferred to the nearest hospital as it wouldn’t have the right staff/ facilities to properly quarantine and monitor them.

There are reasons for what the UK is doing and I’m sure they have devised a better plan than what you could. Otherwise you would be working for hospitals/government and helping them come up with a better idea right? .... right?
Yes. Well said.
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(Original post by Em.-.)
Yep the government who have taken basically no measures to protect our citizens (the leaflets/posters at the airport for those arriving from Wuhan, rather than block travel until they found out exactly when and how infectious the disease was) and have little to no experience with dealing with such an infectious outbreak. Also saw a video from inside a waiting room where suspected infected people had been and those in close contact with them for a long time were sent home and told to watch out for symptoms, even though by then it was known it was infectious during incubation.


Now the bus driver thing ... 🤦*♀️ People could start dropping dead in the streets and they’ll still be like “the threat to the public remains low, NHS is good 🙂🙂🙂”.
Your post makes literally no sense at all. Disease spread control does not involve putting everyone in sight into quarantine- that would clearly not make sense. And what do you propose should be done when every country has limited resources and has to do the most practical and workable things to protect their citizens! York university has a problem with corona virus- are you suggesting thst everyone near or in York should be put into quarantine? Your argument makes no sense!
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One thing I laugh at is those that criticize Trump and the USA banning those coming from China because of the Corona virus but no mention of Australia, Japan, Russia and Pakistan that have done exactly the same thing.
As for a vaccine for this they reckon it will take nearly a year before they have one ready for public use, currently finding out what it is, growing the bacteria then making a vaccine and testing it first on animals then on volunteers before it being licensed.

The flu jabs people get each year are not a cure all for all flu but are targeted each year to the strains they think are most likely to occur that year, the most common ones.
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One thing I laugh at is those that criticize Trump and the USA banning those coming from China because of the Corona virus but no mention of Australia, Japan, Russia and Pakistan that have done exactly the same thing.
As for a vaccine for this they reckon it will take nearly a year before they have one ready for public use, currently finding out what it is, growing the bacteria then making a vaccine and testing it first on animals then on volunteers before it being licensed.

The flu jabs people get each year are not a cure all for all flu but are targeted each year to the strains they think are most likely to occur that year, the most common ones.
Oh make no mistake i'm not happy with Australia, Japan, Russia or Pakistan either. To be fair all four of those countries have troubling track records with people visiting from other countries in general (Australia's essentially supermax prisons for refugees, Japans history of extreme anti-black racism and imperialism/nationalism, Russias whole thing with killing gays, and Pakistans whole thing with killing gays.) but when you look at it that way, Americas in good company.
I'm not surprised Trump did this. I'm not surprised about the other countries either (especially Japan considering their recent issues with North Korea, and the fact that there is no country China loves more at this moment in time) but since we're not talking about them in a thread made to discuss Trump, it'd seem a bit off topic and straw graspy to bring them up, no?
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Oh make no mistake i'm not happy with Australia, Japan, Russia or Pakistan either. To be fair all four of those countries have troubling track records with people visiting from other countries in general (Australia's essentially supermax prisons for refugees, Japans history of extreme anti-black racism and imperialism/nationalism, Russias whole thing with killing gays, and Pakistans whole thing with killing gays.) but when you look at it that way, Americas in good company.
I'm not surprised Trump did this. I'm not surprised about the other countries either (especially Japan considering their recent issues with North Korea, and the fact that there is no country China loves more at this moment in time) but since we're not talking about them in a thread made to discuss Trump, it'd seem a bit off topic and straw graspy to bring them up, no?
Since when is Russia offing gays?
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Since when is Russia offing gays?
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-rel...hnya-gay-purge
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...st-petersburg/
Just two examples from a single second of googling. You have the gay concentration camps in Chechnya, and people calling for the murder of LGBT activists, with one actually being gay.
You also have Putin banning "homosexual propaganda", which includes the flying of the rainbow flag, and the fact that gay people can hold hands in public. This is punishable by a prison sentence, though there have been stories of people being detained and never seemingly coming out of prison.
It's why we now have something called the Rainbow Railroad: we're trying to get as many gay men out of Chechnya as possible before they're all killed.
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https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-rel...hnya-gay-purge
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...st-petersburg/
Just two examples from a single second of googling. You have the gay concentration camps in Chechnya, and people calling for the murder of LGBT activists, with one actually being gay.
You also have Putin banning "homosexual propaganda", which includes the flying of the rainbow flag, and the fact that gay people can hold hands in public. This is punishable by a prison sentence, though there have been stories of people being detained and never seemingly coming out of prison.
It's why we now have something called the Rainbow Railroad: we're trying to get as many gay men out of Chechnya as possible before they're all killed.
Not sure you can imply theyre going on some sort of anti-gay pogrom because an activist was killed? Fair enough on Chechnya although one would point out that its generally better to consider it as a separate entity from Russia, with it being an effective theifdom of that odious man Kadyrov. After all, most Russians would rather object to being lumped in with his views and actions..
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Not sure you can imply theyre going on some sort of anti-gay pogrom because an activist was killed? Fair enough on Chechnya although one would point out that its generally better to consider it as a separate entity from Russia, with it being an effective theifdom of that odious man Kadyrov. After all, most Russians would rather object to being lumped in with his views and actions..
So the laws against being LGBT in public aren't enough to secure them as some sort of anti-gay pogrom? Russia is dangerous to live in if you're gay, thats why people are requesting help to get out.
Also Chechnya is not a separate entity from Russia? It's a Russian republic.
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With regards to the whole vaccine issue:
The earliest we're going to see it is probably end this year. Vaccines take a while to develop and it they haven't even been produced yet for previous coronavirus outbreaks like SARS in 2003. Although, research started earlier this time than in 2003 (when they started looking at it when the outbreak was almost over) so there's a better chance one will be created sooner than later.

I understand why Trump has banned chinese people but if we're going by his logic, then he might as well close his borders completely. Just because someone is chinese doesn't mean they've had contact with someone with the virus. There's over, what, 1 billion people in China? There's much less than that in cases and nationals from other countries have been shown to catch it and now pass away (RIP.).
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One thing I laugh at is those that criticize Trump and the USA banning those coming from China because of the Corona virus but no mention of Australia, Japan, Russia and Pakistan that have done exactly the same thing.
As for a vaccine for this they reckon it will take nearly a year before they have one ready for public use, currently finding out what it is, growing the bacteria then making a vaccine and testing it first on animals then on volunteers before it being licensed.

The flu jabs people get each year are not a cure all for all flu but are targeted each year to the strains they think are most likely to occur that year, the most common ones.
true, but it is a virus not a bacterium. Viruses are obligate parasites so they are a bit more difficult to grow in vitro.
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Your post makes literally no sense at all. Disease spread control does not involve putting everyone in sight into quarantine- that would clearly not make sense. And what do you propose should be done when every country has limited resources and has to do the most practical and workable things to protect their citizens! York university has a problem with corona virus- are you suggesting thst everyone near or in York should be put into quarantine? Your argument makes no sense!
The overall implication of that post was the U.K. government are not going to handle an outbreak that well if it becomes an epidemic here. The bus drivers who were on a bus for quite a bit of time with all the people should have been quarantined just like the staff on the flight. Flights should have been temporarily stopped from Wuhan until they understood how infectious the virus was.

No not everyone near or in York should be put into quarantine (it doesn’t have a problem unlike Hubei, nobody seems to have contacted the virus there) as any contact by most people will have been non-existent or negligible unless the student sat right next to them in a lecture theatre. I’m not saying quarantining people is most practical but it is the best way to prevent the spread and I acknowledge the economy often comes before health in this country so it will be down to our luck as to whether those who have travelled and will travel here carry the virus or not.

As you said, “limited resources” could be a problem. Since up to 20% of cases seem to be critical if it spreads too much, and this virus is very infectious, then there isn’t going to be resources to treat everyone. So best to prevent that happening as soon as possible. Additionally mutation could be a concern, possibly making it more deadly: more infectious and more likely to kill. Although if we’re lucky it may mutate to become less harmful, but that’s a gamble.

In fact the best way to stop a major outbreak (which we don’t have yet) -which would never happen being so impractical - would be to have everyone stock up on supplies, stay at home for 14 days (with doctors still working) then anyone who has the virus (or takes ill) can be hospitalised and problem solved if the virus doesn’t spread in the hospital. But as I said too impractical, would be difficult to ensure instructions are followed and would damage the economy.
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Trump has banned people who have visited China in the last 14 days from entering the US due to the Coronavirus:

nytimes.com/2020/01/31/business/china-travel-coronavirus.html

I wonder when the Lefties will have their meltdown about this lol
Lmao I usually hate Trump's policies but for once he was being smart on this one
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