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An interesting interpretation of the history of the Conservative Party. :rolleyes:
Do you recall the counter-terrorism strategies and tactics of the Iron Lady's Conservative government deployed against northern irish paramilitary terrorists?
Thatcher is dead. Conservative supporters really need to get over her and move on.

Instead we have a modern Conservative Party that has eviscerated the police force and CPS over the last decade to the point that they can't do their jobs properly and made no serious attempts to toughen anti-terrorism legislation. It is an appalling track record of failure and what has happen today is the consequence.
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Pretty sure you can rather easily draw the line straight back to what the UK/USA did in '03
Does that line go back any further or is this the revised beginning of history?
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Thatcher is dead. Conservative supporters really need to get over her and move on.

Instead we have a modern Conservative Party that has eviscerated the police force and CPS over the last decade to the point that they can't do their jobs properly and made no serious attempts to toughen anti-terrorism legislation. It is an appalling track record of failure and what has happen today is the consequence.
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Does that line go back any further or is this the revised beginning of history?
No this is just the beginning of the large uptick in radicalization with the burning down of an entire region?
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Thatcher is dead. Conservative supporters really need to get over her and move on.

Instead we have a modern Conservative Party that has eviscerated the police force and CPS over the last decade to the point that they can't do their jobs properly and made no serious attempts to toughen anti-terrorism legislation. It is an appalling track record of failure and what has happen today is the consequence.
It is rather mind boggling that this man was quite literally being watch by armed police and they still managed to let him stab a handful of people. One of the most appalling **** ups ive ever seen.
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That's pretty irrelevant.

As soon as someone makes the terrorist watchlist, they should be deported ASAP.
Usman Khan was British-born; to where would you have had him deported?
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The conservatives just do not care. They've had years to change terrorist legislation, this was promised months ago after Usman Khan, and yet what do we have today? Another f*cker released early and stabs people.

And the tragedy is, would Labour do a better job? F*ck no. They would have released the prisoner even earlier !!!
They're both so utterly cr*p
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The conservatives just do not care. They've had years to change terrorist legislation, this was promised months ago after Usman Khan, and yet what do we have today? Another f*cker released early and kills people.

And the tragedy is, would Labour do a better job? F*ck no. They would have released the prisoner even earlier !!!
They're both so utterly cr*p
Luckily no one has died.
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i do hope that the general public will also remember the London bridge incident.

when will the general public realise that something needs to change ?

that stabbing / violence does not solve problems but create more misery
and the so called terrorist mind and attitude needs to change for a better meaningful world.
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Luckily no one has died.
thankfully, but they could have easily been. I've edited my passionate 4am rage
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The Streatham Jihadi was sufficient risk to require an armed plain clothes MI5 officer to follow him, many people would say any Jihadi who needs to be physically followed should not be allowed to walk free on a high street on Sunday! . . . just imagine, he could have just run into a shop & grabbed a knife!

It has been suggested that MI5 allowed it to see who he met up with, clearly this strategy is high risk and failed.

Question to Muslims who say people like this are nothing to do with Islam . . . ok, wouldn't it help if true Islamists ensure that all people in jail for promoting terror in the name of Islam are told in no uncertain terms by Imams of the true faith that they are against Islam? This would send a clear message to all that Islam seeks to promote peace.
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This is what happens under a Tory government, they fail to fund the systems that are supposed to keep us safe.
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The Streatham Jihadi was sufficient risk to require an armed plain clothes MI5 officer to follow him, many people would say any Jihadi who needs to be physically followed should not be allowed to walk free on a high street on Sunday! . . . just imagine, he could have just run into a shop & grabbed a knife!

It has been suggested that MI5 allowed it to see who he met up with, clearly this strategy is high risk and failed.

Question to Muslims who say people like this are nothing to do with Islam . . . ok, wouldn't it help if true Islamists ensure that all people in jail for promoting terror in the name of Islam are told in no uncertain terms by Imams of the true faith that they are against Islam? This would send a clear message to all that Islam seeks to promote peace.
Muslims have been doing that for years since 9/11. Surely, it gets tiring to always have to say that few idiotic terrorists don't represent the 1.2 billion muslims world wide.
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People have been serious injured and could have died. I don’t think it’s appropriate to make political point scoring points at this time.
When do you think it is best time to have a political discussion about the managed decline of the country?
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The Streatham Jihadi was sufficient risk to require an armed plain clothes MI5 officer to follow him, many people would say any Jihadi who needs to be physically followed should not be allowed to walk free on a high street on Sunday! . . . just imagine, he could have just run into a shop & grabbed a knife!
It is barking that this is allowed and possible under the current system.

Lots of talk about indeterminate sentences having been removed in 2012 under the Tories (because they were doing prison cuts and wanted to reduce pressure on space) and that's definitely an issue, but there is also the simple issue that this guy was released after serving only half his sentence. It appears that this is now normal, with no possibility of alteration no matter how extreme the ongoing threat from the criminal.

Again it is most likely that this is down to the need for higher expenditure after a decade or more of cuts to prison spending.
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Maybe the surveillance on central London is now so intense that it's putting them off attacking there. Or maybe this pathetic deluded moron couldn't be bothered to catch a bus to carry out his deeply 'religious' acts against the Kafir.
The surveillance is pretty intense everywhere in London now, and in most of the big cities. It doesn't seem to be putting them off attacking London, this is like the 5th Islamic terrorist attack in the city in just the past few years? I've lost count at this point. It suprises me that we don't see any attacks in smaller cities and towns, where there is far less surveillence and less police to hinder them. I'm guessing they see it as more symbolic and impactful to attack the capital.

What concerns me is the increasing 'lone wolf' nature of a lot of recent attacks, not just here but across Europe. They seem to be very spontaneous with little to no prior planning, and that's worrying because whilst that kind of terrorism usually yields less victims, it is extremely difficult for the security services to detect and monitor before it's too late. Big attacks like 7/7 require a lot of planning, co-ordination, networking, gathering or resources and equipment, and thankfully they tend to draw the attention of the authorities to themselves, long before they get to carry out any attack. But how do you predict when somebody one day just get's it into their head to pick up a knife and start randomly stabbing people in the name of Jihad? You can't.
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This stuff scares me so much. Why won't it stop? Why can't we make it stop?
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The Streatham Jihadi was sufficient risk to require an armed plain clothes MI5 officer to follow him, many people would say any Jihadi who needs to be physically followed should not be allowed to walk free on a high street on Sunday! . . . just imagine, he could have just run into a shop & grabbed a knife!

It has been suggested that MI5 allowed it to see who he met up with, clearly this strategy is high risk and failed.

Question to Muslims who say people like this are nothing to do with Islam . . . ok, wouldn't it help if true Islamists ensure that all people in jail for promoting terror in the name of Islam are told in no uncertain terms by Imams of the true faith that they are against Islam? This would send a clear message to all that Islam seeks to promote peace.
there was a whole team of operatives following this a-hole around the streets of London.
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This stuff scares me so much. Why won't it stop? Why can't we make it stop?
Because we are at war and this increases the justification for radicalisation. Many gullible people can be swayed to see the UK as the enemy. As some are 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation British minorities, it is easy for them to feel connected to the “homeland” of their parents. It does not take much to show these naive people that this country is destroying the world.

We need to be more cautious and stop living in rose-tinted glasses and understand the damage that our Government does to these countries in our name. Yet, those same Government officials aren't the ones being attacked by radicals. It is the average Joe and Sally going about their business that get hurt because Tony Blair decided to invade Iraq because the Americans told him to do so.
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The surveillance is pretty intense everywhere in London now, and in most of the big cities. It doesn't seem to be putting them off attacking London, this is like the 5th Islamic terrorist attack in the city in just the past few years? I've lost count at this point. It suprises me that we don't see any attacks in smaller cities and towns, where there is far less surveillence and less police to hinder them. I'm guessing they see it as more symbolic and impactful to attack the capital.

What concerns me is the increasing 'lone wolf' nature of a lot of recent attacks, not just here but across Europe. They seem to be very spontaneous with little to no prior planning, and that's worrying because whilst that kind of terrorism usually yields less victims, it is extremely difficult for the security services to detect and monitor before it's too late. Big attacks like 7/7 require a lot of planning, co-ordination, networking, gathering or resources and equipment, and thankfully they tend to draw the attention of the authorities to themselves, long before they get to carry out any attack. But how do you predict when somebody one day just get's it into their head to pick up a knife and start randomly stabbing people in the name of Jihad? You can't.
This might have been an ISIS operation, there was the simultaneous attack in Ghent - we need to wait and see if more comes out about it. It does appear generally though that the Jihad has switched from big scale operations to encouraging solo disaffected Muslim youths to mad acts. This may be a 'good' thing in terms of their effectiveness as terrorists, but it's horrible for the people they injure and kill and their families and it is intolerable that the thousands of Islamist Jihadi youths apparently being tracked are free to wonder the streets.
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