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How do you control yourself from ******* cause I can’t
I’m struggling so much and I’m just trying to use all my willpower, luckily I’m quite good with self control.
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Of course it’s difficult.

But to take massive action in order to keep at bay the toxic side effects of masturbation and pornography is the greatest pleasure. In the end you feel reassured that at some point, via the focused effort you expend, a suitable person will come along to cater adequately to your sexual needs, in a sustainable fashion.

If you can’t bring her home then arrange an Airbnb or hotel.
I’ll think about that if I find a girl, but for now let’s see how long I go without *******
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I’m struggling so much and I’m just trying to use all my willpower, luckily I’m quite good with self control.
Lucky are those with a good will power , for us the weak ones shall suffer
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You should join the reddit r/NoFap.

I believe that the moment you masturbate to pornography, you open the black hole. Religously, sex (and not plain lust) is the pinnacle, highest intensity of love, only experienced for a brief few minutes but in that time, both you and your partner are in tune in the finest of synchronies; it's said to be a gift from heaven whether you believe in it. Morally, its believed our spark in lust when consumating pornography, is the exposure to the genetalia we shouldn't/couldn't see, with a biologically in-grained mechanism that causes our desire to reach the tipping point of orgasm and beyond, mimicking that of sexual intercourse, but not achieving the mechanisms of intercourse in the slightest. As you say, intercourse is like a well balanced protein rich dish (or along those lines aha). Essentialy, I believe that, with such ease of access to a site in whihc the greatest pleasure can be achieved in just a few minutes with, what appears to be little to no side effects and a conformity to societal norms and lack of sceintific evidence regarding it, its no wonder the brain can establish such addictions.

My problem with your paragraph is that you state that addiction to porn can never be cured and you must get a partner to cure it; if I understood it correctly. I don't agree with that. If you are a fellow NoFapper ^tm you wil know how there are many poeple that carry their pornographic addication to their relationships even through marriage, often destroying relationships in those processes. Furthermore, it does not explain those that have gone on 3-5 year abstinence without indulging in porn, and we cannot differentiate whether it was abstinence from pornography/NoFap that cured the person or if NoFap allowed said people to make finding a partner easier in order to cure this or if NoFap has no benefits besides short term and finding a partner is the best way to tackle the addiction.

Maybe you are right. Religions such as Islam believe that after such indulgences, one should immedietly practice abstiences and then find a partner and get married whereas Chinese/Buddhist practices believe that a combination of meditation and "semen retention" techniques allow people to fully remove the porn disease.

In my opinion, either way, all options lead to engaging in NoFap which seems like the best start to go towards!
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This is simply an assertion devoid of explanatory value.

The easy accessibility of masturbation in combination with the overpowering pull of sexual desire is a recipe for chronic addiction that leads to sexual dysfunction due to death grip that weakens the phallus over time and uncontrolled distraction from day-to-day responsibilities. Absent the hormonal and phallus-related benefits of sexual relations, there exists no other way to properly regulate the frequency of sexual desire without falling into a pit of self-pleasure that quickly snowballs into an addictive spiral, and hence insatiable.

How is this ‘perfectly’ healthy? It is a wilful distortion of reality to put it as such.
It's perfectly healthy because it's good cardio vascular exercise. It helps reduce stress.
Masturbation does not shorten your life. If anything it will help prolong it.
Masturbation does not lead to ill health in any way. It is therefore perfectly healthy.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...s/masturbation
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You should join the reddit r/NoFap.
I consider it counterproductive to join a community that brings the struggle constantly to one’s attention. The whole point of abstinence is to instil inner balance and become accustomed to it by means of becoming busy in the active pursuit of one’s priorities so that abstinence is performed effortlessly, without thought. This is my first and last post on the matter as I do not want to direct any significant portion of my attention on this issue, since to think about it only serves to magnify it subconsciously.

(Original post by Anonymous)
My problem with your paragraph is that you state that addiction to porn can never be cured and you must get a partner to cure it; if I understood it correctly. I don't agree with that. If you are a fellow NoFapper ^tm you wil know how there are many poeple that carry their pornographic addication to their relationships even through marriage, often destroying relationships in those processes. Furthermore, it does not explain those that have gone on 3-5 year abstinence without indulging in porn, and we cannot differentiate whether it was abstinence from pornography/NoFap that cured the person or if NoFap allowed said people to make finding a partner easier in order to cure this or if NoFap has no benefits besides short term and finding a partner is the best way to tackle the addiction.
You have misunderstood.

I stated that sexual desire, per se, will never cease to be a periodic source of intense craving in the case of most individuals. For this reason I argue that the acquisition of an intimate partner is essential to ensure that one’s sexual energy does not become misqualified through masturbation, which leads one to indulge in pornographic imagery that unnaturally causes the desire for sexual release to be exacerbated. For while visual eroticism can trigger and intensify the frequency and length of masturbation, sexual energy is at work round the clock to periodically produce the desire irrespective. Insofar as sexual energy persists, masturbation itself will always be a source of temptation unless urgent steps are taken to address it.

Those who are able to remain abstinent for years without a partner are an exception to the rule. I would like to know how they do it, but I suspect that their sexual drive is at odds to that of the majority.
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It's perfectly healthy because it's good cardio vascular exercise. It helps reduce stress.
Masturbation does not shorten your life. If anything it will help prolong it.
Masturbation does not lead to ill health in any way. It is therefore perfectly healthy.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...s/masturbation
You appear to have countered objections I did not make. My point is that the accessibility of masturbation renders it an easy source of addiction, and excessive indulgence leads to unpalatable consequences that I mentioned in my previous response to you. To blur the distinct difference between masturbation and sexual intercourse demonstrates wilful ignorance.
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I was intrigued by the title, but I'm too lazy to read an essay.
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I was intrigued by the title, but I'm too lazy to read an essay.
I highly recommend it.
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I was intrigued by the title, but I'm too lazy to read an essay.
To summarise: he can't get laid and he is frustrated.
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To summarise: he can't get laid and he is frustrated.
Ah, just a fancy way of expressing half of the threads that exist on TSR already then. :lol:
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You appear to have countered objections I did not make. My point is that the accessibility of masturbation renders it an easy source of addiction, and excessive indulgence leads to unpalatable consequences that I mentioned in my previous response to you. To blur the distinct difference between masturbation and sexual intercourse demonstrates wilful ignorance.
What is your definition of addiction when it comes to masturbation?

In your previous post you said:
"The easy accessibility of masturbation in combination with the overpowering pull of sexual desire is a recipe for chronic addiction that leads to sexual dysfunction due to death grip that weakens the phallus over time and uncontrolled distraction from day-to-day responsibilities. "

That is nonsense. Masturbation does not weaken the penis.
https://www.healthline.com/health/er...urbation-myths

The "distraction from day to day responsibilities" depends. The vast majority of people masturbate whilst leading good enough every day lives.
There is a minority of people that will masturbate excessively instead of getting on with their work or chores or studies. The issue there isn't masturbation. The issue is too much focus on short term pleasure over medium to long term gains.

It's like eating. Eating is fine. Being "addicted" (like doing it 3 times a day) to eating is fine. Eating instead of getting on with things is not a wise life decision.
Masturbating is fine. Being "addicted" to masturbation is fine. Masturbating instead of getting on with things is not a wise life decision.
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(Original post by Dunnig Kruger)
What is your definition of addiction when it comes to masturbation?
Hooked on the dopamine rush that arises from sexual release, and like a drug addict, requiring greater visual stimulation to sustain the rush.

(Original post by Dunnig Kruger)
That is nonsense. Masturbation does not weaken the penis.
http://www.curedeathgrip.com/

It has short-term ramifications which, while not irreversible, takes considerable time to fully heal.
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(Original post by Polymath0)
Hooked on the dopamine rush that arises from sexual release, and like a drug addict, requiring greater visual stimulation to sustain the rush.



http://www.curedeathgrip.com/

It has short-term ramifications which, while not irreversible, takes considerable time to fully heal.
From the article you linked to:

The good news is that you aren't really damaged, and death grip isn't really a medical condition. It's not a disease, it's not something you come down with, and it's not something that is irreversible. In fact, getting back in touch with what feels good can be a really pleasant exercise.

These articles are not written by medical professionals and do not constitute any sort of medical advice.

Edit and by your definition of addiction, I have never met anyone that has been addicted to masturbation, because I've never met anyone that required greater visual stimulation to sustain the rush.
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From the article you linked to:

The good news is that you aren't really damaged, and death grip isn't really a medical condition. It's not a disease, it's not something you come down with, and it's not something that is irreversible. In fact, getting back in touch with what feels good can be a really pleasant exercise.

These articles are not written by medical professionals and do not constitute any sort of medical advice.
You have a distinct habit of not paying attention. I already accepted in my last post that it is not irreversible, but that it takes a painfully long time to cure due to the requirement to abstain for a period of time.
I am not using this site to seek medical advice, I linked this article as it contains an accurate description of how sensitivity of the phallus weakens over time with the usual method by which males frequently masturbate.

Here is the bit from the article I refer to:

There's a reason why we all call masturbation "jerking off". The term pretty much describes exactly how most guys masturbate throughout their entire lifetime, which is with a tight grip around the penis, combined with a vigorous up and down motion which moves the sensitive tissues of the penis back and forth in a fast rhythm. This is essentially tissue massage and it is an extremely fast and efficient way of bringing on an orgasm. (Which is why we naturally gravitate towards the method when we are young—we want to hit the orgasm quick so that we don't get caught.) If this is the only method of masturbation that a guy uses, he can become somewhat dependent on the method in order to reach an orgasm. Plus, over time, as a guy develops more of a tolerance to this type of stimulation, he may begin to apply even more pressure and more vigorous motion in order to achieve the same sensations that he enjoyed through a lighter touch previously. In some ways, this concept is similar to the way that people can build up a tolerance to alcohol or drugs—requiring greater and greater quantities in order to achieve the same intoxicating effect. (Not that the healthy pursuit of more pleasure during masturbation should be considered in the same category as alcohol and drug abuse—just illustrating a concept.)

The problem is that this method of stimulation is nothing at all like what is experienced during vaginal intercourse. Vaginas do not "jerk off" a penis. The stimulation felt during intercourse is friction-based and is much more subtle, gentle, and soft than what is felt when "jerking off". Becoming dependent on ever-increasing pressure and intensity can make it difficult to be sexual responsive to the stimulation felt inside a vagina.

Death grip is also about being reliant on a single method of masturbating to a climax, and requiring more and more pressure to feel the same sensations—so much so that it interferes with your ability to enjoy the subtle stimulation of intercourse and affects your overall sexual happiness.



(Original post by Dunnig Kruger)
Edit and by your definition of addiction, I have never met anyone that has been addicted to masturbation
I direct you to the countless threads on nofap.com, including the subreddit on nofap, to demonstrate that your ignorance of the phenomenon is not a logically valid reference to determine whether or not it is an actual phenomenon.

(Original post by Dunnig Kruger)
because I've never met anyone that required greater visual stimulation to sustain the rush.
Are you not aware that this is how an addiction works? One requires a greater hit than the previous round to experience the same level of euphoria as before.

Why would anyone you’ve met tell you that they must indulge in more extreme forms of pornography in order to get a high from masturbation, let alone tell you that they have an addiction to it?
Moreover, what relevance is any of this? Your ignorance of how addiction operates on a psychological level indicates that you have not investigated the process of addiction, nor discovered those who are affected by it. Just because you haven’t met them doesn’t mean they do not exist. It just means you are unaware.
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You can direct me to the countless threads on nofap.com, but I'm not going to read them.
Because that website is just making a problem out of something where no real problem exists.
The Criticism section of this Wiki page sums up the shortcomings of nofap.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoFap

I prefer to take my advice on medical matters from medical professionals and proper scientific medical resaearch. And not someone that's writing on a website that is not a medical professional.
I recommend that everyone else does the same and that they ignore your scare mongering on masturbation in this thread.
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“I have had enough. This is the end. No more.”

These are the words I have repeated on more occasions than I care to admit when I have sought seriously to abstain from masturbation and pornography once and for all.

What explains the bottom line cause of chronic failure in such an earnest endeavour?

The fact that the body resets itself.

For while abstinence that lasts in excess of a week bestows the abstainer with an undeniable feeling of energetic calm and bliss, a process called upregulation must take place in the centre of the brain that regulates hormones in order for the positive outcome of abstinence to be experienced. In other words, the right to such an enriching sensation entails an exorbitant price to be paid just to maintain it!

And thus the cause of chronic failure is primarily due to a remarkable increase in sensitivity over time that renders the desire for sexual release compelling beyond belief. Conscious refusal to satisfy this biological itch results in an assortment of the following immediate symptoms: emotional agitation; painfully numb testicles; irritable bowel; lack of concentration; unwanted fantasising; dreams of a sexual nature; increase in eroticism; intensity in emotion; rapid heart beat and bodily pangs resulting from conscious resistance; manic discomfort; and unbelievable paranoia by the recognition that it is easy to get triggered by the most subtlest of sexual suggestions.

The dark force of this biological tug is one that is profoundly difficult to resist because it is tied into our very function of existence. In fact, a healthy lifestyle alone functions as the enabler of an increasingly healthy libido; an intertwinement that reinforces this addictive spiral. Our biology has been programmed with a preset potent energy swirling throughout our body that can be ignored for only so long until the physical and psychological issues that entail abstinence rear their ugly head; to remind us that there exists no ‘turn off’ switch to our biological coding and that the urge to bust a nut will force its way into our lives, irrespective of our lack of preparation for reproducing or our disinclination to birth a newborn ever.

Nature displays ruthless indifference, and biology trumps ideology.

So what am I expected to do? An optimal suggestion I have come across can best be summed up in the following phrase: “energy can’t be destroyed, only channeled.”

True.
But for how long exactly can the most potent energy in existence realistically be retained and redirected into creative and goal-oriented pursuits while, in the background, biology is at work always rebalancing the neural pathways to regenerate a primal force so powerful that, in a solitary moment of vulnerability, will inevitably produce a flood of pleasure-fuelled chemicals to bathe our brain, and override any last shred of willpower?

The brutal truth is that the intensifying nature of sexual desire that occurs over a relatively short span of time serves as a mechanism whose purpose is strictly to feed on itself with no regard whatsoever for the mind fog and bodily unrest it causes to the one who attempts to resist its lure. The energy remains active on constant as a sort of twisted insurance policy to ensure, amongst those who display an unwillingness to procreate, that at least the enveloping sexual urge will cause to fade into oblivion the sharpness of one’s clarity to lead one haplessly into either an unwanted or accidental pregnancy just so that the continuation of the human specie can be virtually guaranteed.

From the point of puberty onward, sexual desire becomes a rampant, all-consuming vicious cycle that few can contain without hampering general day-to-day focus and function. It becomes a cycle that can be expressed in only one way, in exclusion to the way nature intended due to the absence of an intimate partner: chronic jerking with visual aid as a crutch on which to lean to cope with the deprivation of such a basic need; to arrest the free fall into a state of imbalance, neuroticism and distraction that naturally accompanies a basic need that has gone gratuitously unfulfilled in a manner proper.

It is thus paramount to acknowledge that sexual energy is a ticking time bomb that will detonate irrespective of the lengths to which one deludes himself to think that it can be preserved on a consistent basis. In a state of long-term abstinence the body becomes increasingly sensitised to the slightest sexual trigger and, in the way the scent of blood arouses the senses of a shark, it proverbially pours gasoline on the flames of an extant desire which creates a raging fire that becomes almost impossible to put out without having to confront the negative consequences listed previously.

Sexual desire is truly insatiable. It is a black hole that can never be filled. Awareness of this fact alone can certainly help one make a firm decision to preserve abstinence in the short-term, but for the reasons previously given, not for the long-term. As such, there is literally only one call to action at hand: to realise that one must take massive action to find an intimate partner with whom this compelling desire can be regulated in a healthy way and that there is a deadline to meet before the sexual energy inevitably reaches tipping point.

Failure to meet deadline must be avoided at all costs.

For while masturbation might relieve stress on a temporary basis, in the long run it only reinforces the dualistic desire that created the stress in the first place. In other words, when you give in to dualistic desires, it creates a self-reinforcing spiral that takes you down as far as you allow it to take you. If relieving stress only leads to more stress, where is the relief? In reality, this leads to addiction rather than freedom.

To avoid the violently compulsive swings between unnatural repression and excessive long-term binging, a partner is needed to establish an effortless stasis in the desire for sex and a fine tuned balance in the satiation of sexual desire. Unlike masturbation, which leads to sexual dysfunction in the long run, and pornography, which leads to an incontinent impulse in the long run, sexual intercourse can be likened to a wholesome, protein-rich meal that stabilises the appetite effectively. The excess depletion of energy grinds to a complete halt, and an enhanced mental well-being can be enjoyed as longer gaps can be maintained effortlessly between sexual activity in the knowledge that a partner is always available to satisfy sexual cravings as and when necessary.

Beat the dark force of impulsive sexual desire into submission with the incorporation of a daily, sustainable action plan that can draw on an abundance of prospects, a percentage of which can be converted into mutually beneficial relationships. Be it 50 or 100 cold approaches per day, automated swiping software for dating applications, frequenting meet up events or late night bars and clubs, the key driver behind taking action with fervour is the knowledge that, at some point, the primal craving will re-emerge with intensity. Failure to get one’s ducks in a row means that the bad habit will be the only means of relief, and thereby cause the addictive spiral to be looped all over again.

This is madness of peak proportions.
The hourglass is already in progress. Do not ping pong pathetically between two patently regressive, insufferable options. Take the necessary steps to bring sanity into your life, with relentless vigour.
You should publish this.

May I suggest the title The Portrait of the Incel as a Young Man?
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Because that website is just making a problem out of something where no real problem exists.
You have labelled “non-existent” a major problem voiced by millions. For its seriousness to go unrecognised is terrible, but for the legitimacy of its phenomenon to be dismissed wholesale and without due explanation? That makes you a dangerously unsound person.

The tactic employed here fits the very definition of "gas-lighting." It is a form of abuse whereby a person is made to doubt their sanity by way of manipulating their perception of reality with fabrications.

Correct me if I’m mistaken, and you can ignore this paragraph if untrue, but I suspect you are the same person who delivered a blanket criticism on the act of cold approach without offering an alternative suggestion. If so, is there an agenda at play to flip reality on its head by framing an addiction to masturbation as good and framing an attempt to connect with the people of the world as bad?
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You should publish this.

May I suggest the title The Portrait of the Incel as a Young Man?
To act sardonically at the expense of others does not make you look cool.

It makes you look like a tool.
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Most lads have one in the morning, a quicky, one after school/college/work and one to relax at night and go to sleep.
Medical research shows the more you ejaculate and empty your junk out, the lower the risk of prostate cancer.
I tried nofap and just ended up having wet dreams.
There is some evidence on the grip and inability to perform as the vagina grips less, depending on her experience.
Buy a fleshlight
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