The Dark Reality of Sexual Desire Watch

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You have labelled “non-existent” a major problem voiced by millions. For its seriousness to go unrecognised is terrible, but for the legitimacy of its phenomenon to be dismissed wholesale and without due explanation? That makes you a dangerously unsound person.

The tactic employed here fits the very definition of "gas-lighting." It is a form of abuse whereby a person is made to doubt their sanity by way of manipulating their perception of reality with fabrications.

Correct me if I’m mistaken, and you can ignore this paragraph if untrue, but I suspect you are the same person who delivered a blanket criticism on the act of cold approach without offering an alternative suggestion. If so, is there an agenda at play to flip reality on its head by framing an addiction to masturbation as good and framing an attempt to connect with the people of the world as bad?
No, I have not been gas lighting at all. I have provided links to websites that support what I've been saying about masturbation and nofap.com.

Just because you don't agree with what I've been saying, doesn't mean to say that I've been gaslighting you.

I am not a dangerously unsound person. I have merely been repeating the same basic message that is contained on this NHS website:
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/sexual-...urbation-faqs/

If you think it's dangerously unsound to follow the advice on the NHS official website, then that is something that I cannot agree with.
If you think that the links that I have provided so far in this thread have not given due explanation of what I've been saying, then that again is something that I cannot agree with.

For reality. It's real what that NHS website says about masturbation. It's real that my views on masturbation coincide with the advice given on the NHS website. There has been zero fabrication from me in this thread.

I always post on this forum under my username. Which should answer your question about what's been said on other threads.
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I am not a dangerously unsound person. I have merely been repeating the same basic message that is contained on this NHS website:
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/sexual-...urbation-faqs/
What the NHS website contains bears no relevance whatsoever to the point of this thread. In fact, the point is not even addressed on the website and only highlighted in passing in one statement at the end:

However, if you feel the need to masturbate is interfering with your everyday life, talking to a GP may help.

No investigation has been conducted by the NHS about the actual extent to which sexual desire plagues so many in their struggle against this primal force, and thus the nature of its interference has been left underemphasised. If you direct your attention to academic work conducted by those involved in the department of psychology, you will discover journals written on compulsivity and addiction in relation to masturbation and porn respectively. The negative effects of this particular addiction are recognised in academic journals, and stories from those struggling with this addiction can be observed in forums everywhere. The NHS claims that masturbation is healthy because it is only observing it from a restrictive point of a view, not a holistic one. To parrot hyperbolically that it is “perfectly healthy” in the face of an evidently widespread problem indicates a lack of rigour in examining its effects long-term when performed with compulsive frequency. The fact that masturbation leads to toxic compulsivity in a vast majority of cases is a cause for concern, and so it demonstrates a remarkable lack of sound judgment to assert that it is not a real problem.
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ive been doing no so called fap on and off for 5 years and tldr for me;
porn does more harm than good and life is better without porn
easiest way to to get over porn addiction is to make it very difficult/impossible to access
its fine to masturbate but also fine not to masturbate like nothing bad will happen if stop
saying you'll never masturbate again is insanity because you will
best way to go on longer streaks is to try less to go on long streaks
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What the NHS website contains bears no relevance whatsoever to the point of this thread. In fact, the point is not even addressed on the website and only highlighted in passing in one statement at the end:
Oh yes it is addressed on that NHS website. What it says is very much on topic. Inparticular these 2 sections:

"Is masturbation normal?

Yes. Apart from the pleasure it gives, masturbating can help you learn what you like and don't like sexually. Men can also use masturbation to learn how to control their orgasms, while women can find out what helps them to achieve an orgasm."


and

"Is masturbation safe?

Yes. For the record, masturbating doesn't cause blindness, insanity, or acne and won't make hair grow on your palms. Joking aside, there's no risk of pregnancy or catching a sexually transmitted infection (STI) from masturbating on your own."

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/sexual-...urbation-faqs/

So there you are. According to the NHS, masturbation is both normal and safe. According to Polymath0 it isn't.
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“I have had enough. This is the end. No more.”

These are the words I have repeated on more occasions than I care to admit when I have sought seriously to abstain from masturbation and pornography once and for all.

What explains the bottom line cause of chronic failure in such an earnest endeavour?

The fact that the body resets itself.

For while abstinence that lasts in excess of a week bestows the abstainer with an undeniable feeling of energetic calm and bliss, a process called upregulation must take place in the centre of the brain that regulates hormones in order for the positive outcome of abstinence to be experienced. In other words, the right to such an enriching sensation entails an exorbitant price to be paid just to maintain it!

And thus the cause of chronic failure is primarily due to a remarkable increase in sensitivity over time that renders the desire for sexual release compelling beyond belief. Conscious refusal to satisfy this biological itch results in an assortment of the following immediate symptoms: emotional agitation; painfully numb testicles; irritable bowel; lack of concentration; unwanted fantasising; dreams of a sexual nature; increase in eroticism; intensity in emotion; rapid heart beat and bodily pangs resulting from conscious resistance; manic discomfort; and unbelievable paranoia by the recognition that it is easy to get triggered by the most subtlest of sexual suggestions.

The dark force of this biological tug is one that is profoundly difficult to resist because it is tied into our very function of existence. In fact, a healthy lifestyle alone functions as the enabler of an increasingly healthy libido; an intertwinement that reinforces this addictive spiral. Our biology has been programmed with a preset potent energy swirling throughout our body that can be ignored for only so long until the physical and psychological issues that entail abstinence rear their ugly head; to remind us that there exists no ‘turn off’ switch to our biological coding and that the urge to bust a nut will force its way into our lives, irrespective of our lack of preparation for reproducing or our disinclination to birth a newborn ever.

Nature displays ruthless indifference, and biology trumps ideology.

So what am I expected to do? An optimal suggestion I have come across can best be summed up in the following phrase: “energy can’t be destroyed, only channeled.”

True.
But for how long exactly can the most potent energy in existence realistically be retained and redirected into creative and goal-oriented pursuits while, in the background, biology is at work always rebalancing the neural pathways to regenerate a primal force so powerful that, in a solitary moment of vulnerability, will inevitably produce a flood of pleasure-fuelled chemicals to bathe our brain, and override any last shred of willpower?

The brutal truth is that the intensifying nature of sexual desire that occurs over a relatively short span of time serves as a mechanism whose purpose is strictly to feed on itself with no regard whatsoever for the mind fog and bodily unrest it causes to the one who attempts to resist its lure. The energy remains active on constant as a sort of twisted insurance policy to ensure, amongst those who display an unwillingness to procreate, that at least the enveloping sexual urge will cause to fade into oblivion the sharpness of one’s clarity to lead one haplessly into either an unwanted or accidental pregnancy just so that the continuation of the human specie can be virtually guaranteed.

From the point of puberty onward, sexual desire becomes a rampant, all-consuming vicious cycle that few can contain without hampering general day-to-day focus and function. It becomes a cycle that can be expressed in only one way, in exclusion to the way nature intended due to the absence of an intimate partner: chronic jerking with visual aid as a crutch on which to lean to cope with the deprivation of such a basic need; to arrest the free fall into a state of imbalance, neuroticism and distraction that naturally accompanies a basic need that has gone gratuitously unfulfilled in a manner proper.

It is thus paramount to acknowledge that sexual energy is a ticking time bomb that will detonate irrespective of the lengths to which one deludes himself to think that it can be preserved on a consistent basis. In a state of long-term abstinence the body becomes increasingly sensitised to the slightest sexual trigger and, in the way the scent of blood arouses the senses of a shark, it proverbially pours gasoline on the flames of an extant desire which creates a raging fire that becomes almost impossible to put out without having to confront the negative consequences listed previously.

Sexual desire is truly insatiable. It is a black hole that can never be filled. Awareness of this fact alone can certainly help one make a firm decision to preserve abstinence in the short-term, but for the reasons previously given, not for the long-term. As such, there is literally only one call to action at hand: to realise that one must take massive action to find an intimate partner with whom this compelling desire can be regulated in a healthy way and that there is a deadline to meet before the sexual energy inevitably reaches tipping point.

Failure to meet deadline must be avoided at all costs.

For while masturbation might relieve stress on a temporary basis, in the long run it only reinforces the dualistic desire that created the stress in the first place. In other words, when you give in to dualistic desires, it creates a self-reinforcing spiral that takes you down as far as you allow it to take you. If relieving stress only leads to more stress, where is the relief? In reality, this leads to addiction rather than freedom.

To avoid the violently compulsive swings between unnatural repression and excessive long-term binging, a partner is needed to establish an effortless stasis in the desire for sex and a fine tuned balance in the satiation of sexual desire. Unlike masturbation, which leads to sexual dysfunction in the long run, and pornography, which leads to an incontinent impulse in the long run, sexual intercourse can be likened to a wholesome, protein-rich meal that stabilises the appetite effectively. The excess depletion of energy grinds to a complete halt, and an enhanced mental well-being can be enjoyed as longer gaps can be maintained effortlessly between sexual activity in the knowledge that a partner is always available to satisfy sexual cravings as and when necessary.

Beat the dark force of impulsive sexual desire into submission with the incorporation of a daily, sustainable action plan that can draw on an abundance of prospects, a percentage of which can be converted into mutually beneficial relationships. Be it 50 or 100 cold approaches per day, automated swiping software for dating applications, frequenting meet up events or late night bars and clubs, the key driver behind taking action with fervour is the knowledge that, at some point, the primal craving will re-emerge with intensity. Failure to get one’s ducks in a row means that the bad habit will be the only means of relief, and thereby cause the addictive spiral to be looped all over again.

This is madness of peak proportions.
The hourglass is already in progress. Do not ping pong pathetically between two patently regressive, insufferable options. Take the necessary steps to bring sanity into your life, with relentless vigour.
Bro this is too long I CBA
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Oh yes it is addressed on that NHS website. What it says is very much on topic. Inparticular these 2 sections:
The sections you’ve pasted are very much off topic as the overwhelming side effect of masturbation, namely chronic addiction and its attendant negative effects, has not been broached.

I see that paying attention is not your only deficit. My main criticism about masturbation has gone unaddressed by you and you have also wilfully ignored the fact that the matter of addiction to masturbation and porn has already been recognised by academic publications. I see nothing fruitful emerging if I continue to engage with you.
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Bro this is too long I CBA
Was this worth announcing? No. There was no point.
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The sections you’ve pasted are very much off topic as the overwhelming side effect of masturbation, namely chronic addiction and its attendant negative effects, has not been broached.

I see that paying attention is not your only deficit. My main criticism about masturbation has gone unaddressed by you and you have also wilfully ignored the fact that the matter of addiction to masturbation and porn has already been recognised by academic publications. I see nothing fruitful emerging if I continue to engage with you.
The NHS website is very much on topic.

If there were any actual known negative side effects as a result of masturbation, it would be extremely irresponsible of the NHS to not mention them on their website. The NHS can be described as many things, but irresponsible is NOT one of them.
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Was this worth announcing? No. There was no point.
I need the clout bruv
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The NHS website is very much on topic.

If there were any actual known negative side effects as a result of masturbation, it would be extremely irresponsible of the NHS to not mention them on their website. The NHS can be described as many things, but irresponsible is NOT one of them.
How many people actually treat their addiction to masturbation as an ailment that urgently needs medical attention? For an assortment of reasons, hardly anyone. And since “sexual desire,” per se, is a biological function it is not considered harmful by the NHS. As such, while their recommendation to visit a GP in the case of interference does save them from irresponsibility, the addictive nature of masturbation and its attendant long-term negative side effects cannot be mentioned as they do not consider it to be a problem that affects people generally. Naturally they cannot generalise that which they consider exceptional. But, in reality, it is clear that masturbation is, for the most part, an unhealthy crutch on which men lean to cope with the absence of an active sex life and therefore becomes an addiction that leads to desensitisation of the penile tissue, erectile dysfunction and an assortment of issues listed in the main post of this thread which create an upsetting loss of control. Hence, to say that the act is ‘perfectly’ healthy is the most irresponsible judgment of all.
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Jeeeesus christ all this crap just for the topic of rubbing one out?
I think yous are reading too much in detail to this. It's masturbation. It's something easy and basic which gives pleasure and there's nothing wrong with it. Or p0rn for that matter.
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What's your opinion on female masturbation op
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What's your opinion on female masturbation op
Just give us the headlines, a brief synopsis if you will. The message..what's the message?

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...But, in reality, it is clear that masturbation is, for the most part, an unhealthy crutch on which men lean to cope with the absence of an active sex life and therefore becomes an addiction that leads to desensitisation of the penile tissue, erectile dysfunction and an assortment of issues listed in the main post of this thread which create an upsetting loss of control. Hence, to say that the act is ‘perfectly’ healthy is the most irresponsible judgment of all.
What you are saying is medicallly untrue.

As the NHS website says:

"Masturbation is harmless, but if you do it a lot your genitals may feel sore. If men do it a lot in a short space of time, they can get a slightly alarming looking swelling of the penis, called oedema, caused by fluid in the tissues. The swelling does disappear within a day or two."

It is not an unhealthy crutch as you say. It's harmless as the NHS says.
The desensitisation that you say can happen, depends how you do it. If you do it a lot in a short space of time you can get oedema. This swelling disappears in a day or two.

Your objections to masturbation are based on myths.
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You can quite easily get desensitized using porn and masturbating, so that sex or real people are no longer satisfactory for you, which in my opinion Is very wrong.

I'm strongly against porn as I believe in equality and morality, which it is the antithesis of. However I don't understand what's wrong with masturbation IF you do it in a sensible way. Not everyone can have regular sex, and it's potentially a lot of effort to have sex. As well as all the problems, stis, danger etc. Better to masturbate than become aggressive and horny and easily triggered.
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You can quite easily get desensitized using porn and masturbating, so that sex or real people are no longer satisfactory for you, which in my opinion Is very wrong.

I'm strongly against porn as I believe in equality and morality, which it is the antithesis of. However I don't understand what's wrong with masturbation IF you do it in a sensible way. Not everyone can have regular sex, and it's potentially a lot of effort to have sex. As well as all the problems, stis, danger etc. Better to masturbate than become aggressive and horny and easily triggered.
What about porn brings morality and equality into question?
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Just give us the headlines, a brief synopsis if you will. The message..what's the message?

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What about porn brings morality and equality into question?
It's anti feminism, the treatment of women in the industry, violence towards women, objectification of women etc etc
Morality is debatable I guess, but I believe it's immoral
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But, in reality, it is clear that masturbation is, for the most part, an unhealthy crutch on which men lean to cope with the absence of an active sex life
Surely you possess the intelligence to see wisdom in these words?

Rather than relying on masturbation, why not throw your crutch away and seek out a sex life?

This may require some effort on your part, be it losing weight, learning how to speak to the opposite sex, etc., but the reward is out there if take responsibility for your life.

Surely that is better than spending all your time masturbating and then having an existential crisis over your jacking off habits?
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You can quite easily get desensitized using porn and masturbating, so that sex or real people are no longer satisfactory for you, which in my opinion Is very wrong.

I'm strongly against porn as I believe in equality and morality, which it is the antithesis of. However I don't understand what's wrong with masturbation IF you do it in a sensible way. Not everyone can have regular sex, and it's potentially a lot of effort to have sex. As well as all the problems, stis, danger etc. Better to masturbate than become aggressive and horny and easily triggered.
No you can not get "quite easily" desensitized using porn and masturbating. It's a myth. Nerve endings are not permanently damaged by the vast majority of forms of masturbating. No more than your hands would get desensitized from using them a lot if you are an artist, a potter, a bricklayer, a plasterer.
You'd have to work very hard at it to become permanently desensitized to sex through porn and masturbation. Even then there's no guarantees you'd become desensitized.

It's debatable whether porn is the antithesis of equality. As long as the people involved in making porn are happy to do it, I can't see a problem with it. The amount of money the models get paid would go a long way to making them happy to do it.
Exploitative porn on the other hand is morally and ethically and usually legally wrong.

I totally agree about your point that it's better to masturbate than to become aggressive.
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