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Needlessly insulting people by calling them an idiot makes you the idiot as it shows you can't have a civil discussion without resorting to childish name calling. I mean, christ, "porn boys"? Really? Have a word with yourself and stop clutching your pearls.
Also, I'm not male. So that part of your argument is invalid anyway.
Watched porn since for many years, have never had any ill effects, still have a healthy sex life and don't find it difficult at all to have a realistic view about sex.
You're right, I'm the idiot. That's probably why I have an extremely high IQ and study and one of the world's most prestigious universities. You keep enjoying that supernormal stimuli of yours, like a dung beetle humping a beer bottle, and convince yourself that everything okay because you have "a realistic about sex". Meanwhile, those scientist who actually study this phenomena, like myself, understand that tricking your genes into thinking that it's hit the evolutionary jackpot by clicking a mouse, is a never a good idea, under any circumstance.
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You're right, I'm the idiot. That's probably why I have an extremely high IQ and study and one of the world's most prestigious universities. You keep enjoying that supernormal stimuli of yours, like a dung beetle humping a beer bottle, and convince yourself that everything okay because you have "a realistic about sex". Meanwhile, those scientist who actually study this phenomena, like myself, understand that tricking your genes into thinking that it's hit the evolutionary jackpot by clicking a mouse, is a never a good idea, under any circumstance.
I had to stifle a laugh a little at that I do apologise, but it just sounded like one of those things a kid would say in the playground. You know, like "I got full marks for every single question on the exam and the teacher said I was the smartest kid she had ever seen and probably the smartest in the whole school" or something like that?
I'm not doubting you or anything I'm sure it's true but isn't that a bit embarrassing? That with all of your brilliant intellect, you had to resort to saying things like "you're literally an idiot" and "porn boys"? It doesn't sound very scientific does it? Don't scientist's come up against opposing views all the time? Do you always jump in so hostile?
I did like the dung beetle bit though, nice creative writing there but make no mistake you can still be classed as an idiot, even with an elevated IQ.
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I had to stifle a laugh a little at that I do apologise, but it just sounded like one of those things a kid would say in the playground. You know, like "I got full marks for every single question on the exam and the teacher said I was the smartest kid she had ever seen and probably the smartest in the whole school" or something like that?
I'm not doubting you or anything I'm sure it's true but isn't that a bit embarrassing? That with all of your brilliant intellect, you had to resort to saying things like "you're literally an idiot" and "porn boys"? It doesn't sound very scientific does it? Don't scientist's come up against opposing views all the time? Do you always jump in so hostile?
I did like the dung beetle bit though, nice creative writing there but make no mistake you can still be classed as an idiot, even with an elevated IQ.
IMHO, porn is one of the most destructive forces in the world today. Not a matter of ethics, but as a matter of biology. Forgive me for resorting to childish language, but it is extremely frustrating when people defend porn, because they literally have now idea what they are defending. Liberally minded people often view porn as a healthy way to explore sexuality and yada yada yada. In reality, Porn does nothing but addicts its users (gradually, perhaps over a decade) and disconnect them from real life sexuality.
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IMHO, porn is one of the most destructive forces in the world today. Not a matter of ethics, but as a matter of biology. Forgive me for resorting to childish language, but it is extremely frustrating when people defend porn, because they literally have now idea what they are defending. Liberally minded people often view porn as a healthy way to explore sexuality and yada yada yada. In reality, Porn does nothing but addicts its users (gradually, perhaps over a decade) and disconnect them from real life sexuality.
Now see that's more like it.
I think there is much more destructive forces in today's world. Social media is an incredibly destructive force, imo, worse than porn, as we know that people do actually end their life over stuff that happens on social media. You cant deny that it's often a talking point as to how social media "celebs" cause low self esteem in young people and I think social media is something that a lot more people engage in and on a much more intense level.
The people who spiral down into the dark depths of porn, I think, already have some sort of warped view on how sex is supposed to be in the first place.
I'm very in touch with my sexuality and can honestly say 100% that porn has never had an affect on how I partake in sex, who my choice of partners are or how I feel about myself.
There is an issue with violent and extreme or dangerous porn, that goes without saying and I wish that kind of stuff didn't exist but it does and probabaly couldn't be elimated without first eliminating porn altogether. I've seen documentaries and read things about the changes in porn from how it used to be to what it is today and how a lot of women are creating it and doing so on their own terms, which is a step in the right direction at least.
I can agree that porn creates problems for SOME people who use it and disconnects SOME people from real life secuality. But I can't agree that it does for everyone because of my own experience with it.
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Now see that's more like it.
I think there is much more destructive forces in today's world. Social media is an incredibly destructive force, imo, worse than porn, as we know that people do actually end their life over stuff that happens on social media. You cant deny that it's often a talking point as to how social media "celebs" cause low self esteem in young people and I think social media is something that a lot more people engage in and on a much more intense level.
The people who spiral down into the dark depths of porn, I think, already have some sort of warped view on how sex is supposed to be in the first place.
I'm very in touch with my sexuality and can honestly say 100% that porn has never had an affect on how I partake in sex, who my choice of partners are or how I feel about myself.
There is an issue with violent and extreme or dangerous porn, that goes without saying and I wish that kind of stuff didn't exist but it does and probabaly couldn't be elimated without first eliminating porn altogether. I've seen documentaries and read things about the changes in porn from how it used to be to what it is today and how a lot of women are creating it and doing so on their own terms, which is a step in the right direction at least.
I can agree that porn creates problems for SOME people who use it and disconnects SOME people from real life secuality. But I can't agree that it does for everyone because of my own experience with it.
The thing is, we have innate biological wiring that drives us to pursue sex. It's what kept the species alive for millions of years of evolution. Porn hijacks this powerful primitive mechanism, and ends up stimulating it far more than mother nature intended it be. The same is not true for social media or any other addictions. When you use porn, your brain releases much more dopamine than is released from any other internet based activity, due to all the novelty, which lies only a click away (and other reasons). More dopamine, corresponds to more brain changes. Thus more addictive. The talking point that "only damaged people get hooked on porn" is very familiar, yet highly inaccurate. I know many guys, happy healthy who had healthy sex lives, consume porn, and eventually became addicted to the point they cannot function with their partners. It's becoming increasingly common that young people are taking pills for erectile dysfunction (unheard of pre internet porn days).
A common misconception that people have is they compare porn addicts to drug addicts and alcoholics, wherein a minority of users get addicted, and those that do often have a history of trauma, abuse etc. The same phenomena occurs when rats are exposed to addictive drugs, only a minority of them get addicted too. For natural rewards such as food and sex, a significantly higher proportion get hooked, because we have innate biological circuits urging us to over-consume to ensure the "survival" of our genes. This is why all people are at least vulnerable to porn addiction. You're right, many people do use without having problems (yet). This doesn't change the fact that porn is inherently addictive (that is, it releases abnormally high levels of dopamine), and an activity that we didn't evolve to partake in.
If you are interested, visit www.yourbrainonporn.com. The science I've quotes is largely regurgitated from there (including the dung beetle bit) The author of the site has a background in teaching brain physiology to university undergraduates, and began studying porn's effects when people started complaining about addiction etc. It's scientific and secular. Forgive me for being abrasive earlier, it's just that I've seen the damaging effects of porn first hand, and our society is extremely slow to catch up with its dangers and the devastation it causing around the world, to people who don't even realize it.
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A romantic park picnic will do, there is no need to introduce her to your parents.
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If you are interested, visit www.yourbrainonporn.com. The science I've quotes is largely regurgitated from there (including the dung beetle bit)
yourbainporn.com is a nofap disciple website (or vice versa).

The whole nofap scene is more of a religious cult than anything based on science.

David Ley's article is worth reading:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...fap-phenomenon
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The thing is, we have innate biological wiring that drives us to pursue sex. It's what kept the species alive for millions of years of evolution. Porn hijacks this powerful primitive mechanism, and ends up stimulating it far more than mother nature intended it be. The same is not true for social media or any other addictions. When you use porn, your brain releases much more dopamine than is released from any other internet based activity, due to all the novelty, which lies only a click away (and other reasons). More dopamine, corresponds to more brain changes. Thus more addictive. The talking point that "only damaged people get hooked on porn" is very familiar, yet highly inaccurate. I know many guys, happy healthy who had healthy sex lives, consume porn, and eventually became addicted to the point they cannot function with their partners. It's becoming increasingly common that young people are taking pills for erectile dysfunction (unheard of pre internet porn days).
A common misconception that people have is they compare porn addicts to drug addicts and alcoholics, wherein a minority of users get addicted, and those that do often have a history of trauma, abuse etc. The same phenomena occurs when rats are exposed to addictive drugs, only a minority of them get addicted too. For natural rewards such as food and sex, a significantly higher proportion get hooked, because we have innate biological circuits urging us to over-consume to ensure the "survival" of our genes. This is why all people are at least vulnerable to porn addiction. You're right, many people do use without having problems (yet). This doesn't change the fact that porn is inherently addictive (that is, it releases abnormally high levels of dopamine), and an activity that we didn't evolve to partake in.
If you are interested, visit www.yourbrainonporn.com. The science I've quotes is largely regurgitated from there (including the dung beetle bit) The author of the site has a background in teaching brain physiology to university undergraduates, and began studying porn's effects when people started complaining about addiction etc. It's scientific and secular. Forgive me for being abrasive earlier, it's just that I've seen the damaging effects of porn first hand, and our society is extremely slow to catch up with its dangers and the devastation it causing around the world, to people who don't even realize it.
There has been evidence of porn and erotica throughout history though and we have survived as a species, there has also been plenty of sexual violence throughout history, even before porn was the way it is today. I'd argue that people were perhaps more violent in history, especially when you take into account all the methods of torture there were, some of it being sexually violent, and the [email protected] of women and children in villages that were taken over by soldiers and other enemies and the like.

Though that part isn't specifically related to the addiction and damage to the brain through porn that you're talking about in that last message, it does go back to what I was saying about how I don't agree that porn makes all people go on to want violent or extreme and how I think that way of thinking has to be there already since we have plenty of history of sexual violence before the mainstreaming of porn. I agree that SOME types of people will be led down that path because of course some people can be influenced by things where others aren't. But I just can't agree that it is bad for every single person because there are plenty out there who aren't addicted to porn, aren't damaged by it, never go onto more extreme stuff and still have healthy relationships and views on sex. I'm one of them and I know of others too.

I don't doubt there is studies that show the negative results that porn has on people's brains but I think to make a solid argument in it, the studies would have to be done on every single person. With sexuality, there is such a broad spectrum that I'd be surprised if every single person's brain reached the same way towards the long term consumption of porn.

You're forgiven don't worry, its nice to see people with a passion for something they believe in (or don't believe in),i think it just makes it difficult to get people on board with a stick instead of sugar. I think people close down their mind when they give an opinion and are instantly met with hostility or mocking and I have heard some very harsh things written by people who are anti porn. I always wonder if they came at a different angle then they may reach more people?
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You're right, I'm the idiot. That's probably why I have an extremely high IQ and study and one of the world's most prestigious universities. You keep enjoying that supernormal stimuli of yours, like a dung beetle humping a beer bottle, and convince yourself that everything okay because you have "a realistic about sex". Meanwhile, those scientist who actually study this phenomena, like myself, understand that tricking your genes into thinking that it's hit the evolutionary jackpot by clicking a mouse, is a never a good idea, under any circumstance.
Which research council funds you? What research group are you attached to? Who is your supervisor?

It is obvious to anyone with a genuine scientific background that you do not write like a scientist. Tricking your genes is the sort of phrase you find in half-baked lifestyle articles, it has no scientific meaning.

The author of the site has a background in teaching brain physiology to university undergraduates,
The author of the site has no life science background, which may explain why he erroneously and repeatedly makes causal inferences from correlational studies. You won't get very far in science if you don't learn the absolute basics of critically assessing evidence.

More importantly, your post history tells us you are not a scientist.

So stop making **** up, it will make people doubt your extremely high IQ.
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Which research council funds you? What research group are you attached to? Who is your supervisor?

It is obvious to anyone with a genuine scientific background that you do not write like a scientist. Tricking your genes is the sort of phrase you find in half-baked lifestyle articles, it has no scientific meaning.



The author of the site has no life science background, which may explain why he erroneously and repeatedly makes causal inferences from correlational studies. You won't get very far in science if you don't learn the absolute basics of critically assessing evidence.

More importantly, your post history tells us you are not a scientist.

So stop making **** up, it will make people doubt your extremely high IQ.
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yourbainporn.com is a nofap disciple website (or vice versa).

The whole nofap scene is more of a religious cult than anything based on science.

David Ley's article is worth reading:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...fap-phenomenon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/

high speed internet porn has been around what 20 years. maybe 10 to 15 years for HD, 3D, VR with many genres and effectively infinite content one click away. we don't really know how porn is effecting us yet. there are some studies and one can maybe criticise them but lets be 100 they don't look good do they. porn is the new tobacco it was once healthy and recommended by doctors but as research grew we could see what was really going on
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We live in hyperaemic society. 20% of men have access to 80% of women.

The average man feeds off scraps. We have no option but to masturbate. We have a crisis of male suicide. The feminisation of society has a lot to answer for.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/

high speed internet porn has been around what 20 years. maybe 10 to 15 years for HD, 3D, VR with many genres and effectively infinite content one click away. we don't really know how porn is effecting us yet. there are some studies and one can maybe criticise them but lets be 100 they don't look good do they. porn is the new tobacco it was once healthy and recommended by doctors but as research grew we could see what was really going on
Masturbation, low self esteems, lack of motivation, feeling shame for harmless things due to religious leaders or social pressure saying we should feel shame have all been around since the birth of mankind.

Porn has been around since Victorian times and the invention of photography.

When it comes to masturbation, which the nofap community advocate we should abstain from, porn is just something to look at whilst masturbating.
What about people who masturbate without looking at porn. Do you recommend that they should stop masturbating too?

Internet porn is a great big red herring here.

The issues with Internet porn is that it can be expensive. And it's a great way to get viruses and trojans on your computer. Plus some of it is has been made in a morally and ethically wrong way.
Someone lacking in maturity and common sense judgement should not be using porn. But then that would make the main issues for the user a lack of common sense judgement. I think it would be better if the lack of good judgement was addressed rather than the porn. IE sort out the cause, not the symptons.

Comparing Internet porn to tobacco is the sort of non sequitor that cults use to justify their doctrines. Tobacco smoke is breathed into the lungs and the chemicals in that smoke are then transferred into the bloodstream. There's a physical factor of a substance being absorbed into the body. With Internet porn there is no physical substance being absorbed into the body.
It therefore does not follow that because tobacco was once considered harmless and now isn't, that Internet porn will follow the same pattern.

Looking at that Gary Wilson video, 4.20 in and he mentions something that doesn't fit in with his doctrine on porn. Which he rejects out of hand with a non sequitor metaphor about fish not being aware of the water around them.
At 5.00 he gets cause and effect mixed up. He also rejects the diagnoses of mental health professionals, because they don't fit in with his doctrine. At 8.00 he makes a statement that is not backed up by any research and which is not logical. "Everyday pleasures really don't satisfy a porn addict" What, so making love with someone wouldn't satisfy a porn addict? What a load of bunkum! It would. A tasty meal wouldn't satisfy a porn addict? Of course it would! Watching an Oscar winning movie wouldn't satisfy a porn addict? Of course it would!
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Masturbation, low self esteems, lack of motivation, feeling shame for harmless things due to religious leaders or social pressure saying we should feel shame have all been around since the birth of mankind.

Porn has been around since Victorian times and the invention of photography.

When it comes to masturbation, which the nofap community advocate we should abstain from, porn is just something to look at whilst masturbating.
What about people who masturbate without looking at porn. Do you recommend that they should stop masturbating too?

Internet porn is a great big red herring here.

The issues with Internet porn is that it can be expensive. And it's a great way to get viruses and trojans on your computer. Plus some of it is has been made in a morally and ethically wrong way.
Someone lacking in maturity and common sense judgement should not be using porn. But then that would make the main issues for the user a lack of common sense judgement. I think it would be better if the lack of good judgement was addressed rather than the porn. IE sort out the cause, not the symptons.

Comparing Internet porn to tobacco is the sort of non sequitor that cults use to justify their doctrines. Tobacco smoke is breathed into the lungs and the chemicals in that smoke are then transferred into the bloodstream. There's a physical factor of a substance being absorbed into the body. With Internet porn there is no physical substance being absorbed into the body.
It therefore does not follow that because tobacco was once considered harmless and now isn't, that Internet porn will follow the same pattern.

Looking at that Gary Wilson video, 4.20 in and he mentions something that doesn't fit in with his doctrine on porn. Which he rejects out of hand with a non sequitor metaphor about fish not being aware of the water around them.
At 5.00 he gets cause and effect mixed up. He also rejects the diagnoses of mental health professionals, because they don't fit in with his doctrine. At 8.00 he makes a statement that is not backed up by any research and which is not logical. "Everyday pleasures really don't satisfy a porn addict" What, so making love with someone wouldn't satisfy a porn addict? What a load of bunkum! It would. A tasty meal wouldn't satisfy a porn addict? Of course it would! Watching an Oscar winning movie wouldn't satisfy a porn addict? Of course it would!
nofap is misleading - porn free is more accurate. many people incl me the only way to get away from porn is to not masturbate. there is nothing wrong with m.

with the tobacco thing its referring to smoking was considered healthy once but as research grew we found out its not. and i think thats the same as porn, its fine now but as research is starting to grow

nofap is a subjective for instance i see some benefits and yeah could be a placebo but end of day it works for me and thats fine dont need science to say im right or wrong
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On the non sequitor tobacco smoke analogy.

When railway locomotives were invented, people thought that there would be all sort of harmful effects to humans from travelling inside the trains at the speeds made possible by the advent of the railways.

Competitve sports for girls were considered to be dangerous for them in the 1920's.

Licking stamps was reported as being dabgerous in 1916.

In 1903 it was reported that the colour purple would send you mad if you painted the inside of your home in that colour.

The TSR (Tactical Studies Rules) game Dungeons and Dragons was thought to be dangerous by some in the 1980's...

Jazz music was described as “its musical value is nil, and its possibilities of harm are great.”

etc etc etc
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TBH I cba arguing anymore, I've given up porn, so have many thousands of other men and realized how harmful it was. If you wanna have sexy times with your computer/magazine/anything that's not a real person, go ahead. Don't spread the nonsense lies that porn isn't harmful, many people are realizing that it is. Truth always wins in the end.
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TBH I cba arguing anymore, I've given up porn, so have many thousands of other men and realized how harmful it was. If you wanna have sexy times with your computer/magazine/anything that's not a real person, go ahead. Don't spread the nonsense lies that porn isn't harmful, many people are realizing that it is. Truth always wins in the end.
I agree with you! I gave it up long time ago, instead got myself a nice sex doll, which keeps me well balanced.
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Rather than relying on masturbation, why not throw your crutch away and seek out a sex life?
Hence the point of this thread.

(Original post by Kitten in boots)
Surely that is better than spending all your time masturbating and then having an existential crisis over your jacking off habits?
I suspect you did not read the OP.
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Hence the point of this thread.



I suspect you did not read the OP.
Oh, I did.

I'm also aware of your previous misogynistic threads on cold approaching. How's that going? Still single? I can't think why.
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