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Original post by milienhaus
Don't try and play the admissions numbers game - the number of application fluctuates so much year on year that there's basically no point. My college (one of the two you like!) took huge numbers of people from the pool compared to normal in my year and then the next was the most popular college by application and took barely any.

You have a solid UMS profile and should be pretty much guaranteed an interview unless something else in your application is really bad for some reason, so just choose which one you prefer of the two and go for it!


Original post by Melz0r
Exactly this.


do those colleges attract a higher quality of students though? surely some colleges are easier to get into than others?
Original post by yoloo
do those colleges attract a higher quality of students though? surely some colleges are easier to get into than others?


I don't think there's a material difference. You're good enough to get interviewed and if you're good enough for Cambridge after that you'll be pooled. If you really want to go to Christs/Emma you may as well apply there, rather than applying to a less-applied-to college (for that year) which you would get pooled to if you didnt get into your original college anyway, if you see what I mean.
Reply 3362
Original post by yoloo
do those colleges attract a higher quality of students though? surely some colleges are easier to get into than others?


It is true that some people, like you've done, check the Tompkins Table etc before applying and choose to apply there. But some people (like me!) have literally no idea and apply 'cause it's pretty. In reality this means that the differences are so negligible it's really not worth basing an application choice on - as milienhaus said, it varies year on year anyway. For the small variations which do happen, the pool system is there to make sure that anyone who's good enough will get an offer. Which means that you really might as well just apply to the one you like.
Reply 3363
I would actually agree with you that you would find it harder to get offers from christs or Emma. But the pool is there for a reason and if you like it it's a risk worth taking I suspose
Original post by amg_22
considering i really can't make up my mind should i make an open application?

i still a little unsure how this works so could someone explain it to me with the pros/cons


Making an open application will most likely result in you being sent to some of the more modern colleges/perhaps the smaller ones. I'm sure there are some statistics on it that you can find. :smile:

Original post by St. Brynjar
Hey,

I'm applying to study Geography but I wasn't able to attend the open day and I'm really not sure how to go about choosing my college. I like the look of St. Johns, St. Catharines, Kings, Christ's and Trinity but I'm really not basing this on anything substantial, and I've heard some of them only take people with 3 sciences, of which I only have 2.

Could anyone give me any pointers? I think distance to lectures & city centre is something of importance, I'm not sure if the tourist nature of Kings would bother me too much. Any help is appreciated :smile:


King's is tourist-y outside the college gates, but I was under the impression they don't actually let many people inside?
Original post by Oromis263
King's is tourist-y outside the college gates, but I was under the impression they don't actually let many people inside?


Touristy inside too. I've lost count of how many Japanese photos I've wandered through. It's also a way through for students and people who live in Cambridge. But i believe a lot of King's is off-limits to non-Kings students.
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Original post by gethsemane342
Touristy inside too. I've lost count of how many Japanese photos I've wandered through. It's also a way through for students and people who live in Cambridge. But i believe a lot of King's is off-limits to non-Kings students.


tourists are the main reason i am not applying to kings, st johns and trinity haha. much rather prefer a more chilled out place
Original post by amg_22
considering i really can't make up my mind should i make an open application?

i still a little unsure how this works so could someone explain it to me with the pros/cons


Pros:

You don't have to make a decision - the central system will allocate you a college.

College can't see you didn't pick them and aren't allowed to ask why you picked them.

Cons:

May end up in a college you didn't like.

Some applicants have reported being asked why they picked a college in their interview. They shouldn't have been but it's hard to do anything once they ask you. Unless you're a quick thinker, this might catch you out.
Original post by gethsemane342
Some applicants have reported being asked why they picked a college in their interview. They shouldn't have been but it's hard to do anything once they ask you. Unless you're a quick thinker, this might catch you out.


Hmm they really shouldn't have been because it's explicitly ruled out in the admissions handbook. Although in all likelihood the question carried no material value and an answer such as "I didn't" would suffice with no ill effect.
Original post by ukdragon37
Hmm they really shouldn't have been because it's explicitly ruled out in the admissions handbook. Although in all likelihood the question carried no material value and an answer such as "I didn't" would suffice with no ill effect.


I've heard too many stories of this happening for me to think people are making it up. And I've heard one student say they heard a fellow say they asked because it showed basic research. I agree it shouldn't happen but it does anyway. Besides, imagine you're a fellow and a student says they didn't pick you: you're not going to be that inclined to take them.
Original post by gethsemane342
I've heard too many stories of this happening for me to think people are making it up. And I've heard one student say they heard a fellow say they asked because it showed basic research. I agree it shouldn't happen but it does anyway. Besides, imagine you're a fellow and a student says they didn't pick you: you're not going to be that inclined to take them.


But the thing is they are telling the truth, and you not "inclined" to picking them would be punishing them for that fact. People pick open applications for various reasons and it seems like the university at least wants to maintain that all applications are equal regardless of college choice.

Well I can show you basic research - if I were an interviewee and they asked me it I would just shoot back "you are not supposed to ask me that" :tongue:
Original post by ukdragon37
But the thing is they are telling the truth, and you not "inclined" to picking them would be punishing them for that fact. People pick open applications for various reasons and it seems like the university at least wants to maintain that all applications are equal regardless of college choice.

Well I can show you basic research - if I were an interviewee and they asked me it I would just shoot back "you are not supposed to ask me that" :tongue:


Surely even with an open application, you find out what college you will be interviewed at far enough in advance to allow you to go onto the college website and think of one or two things to say about it. It would only take a few minutes.
Original post by ukdragon37
But the thing is they are telling the truth, and you not "inclined" to picking them would be punishing them for that fact. People pick open applications for various reasons and it seems like the university at least wants to maintain that all applications are equal regardless of college choice.

Well I can show you basic research - if I were an interviewee and they asked me it I would just shoot back "you are not supposed to ask me that" :tongue:


This is all nice in theory but in reality I would expect that many interviewers would (subconsciously or otherwise) prefer candidates that had some enthusiasm for the college. Beyond the obvious laziness and indecisiveness, I'm finding it difficult to think of reasons why you would opt for an open application.
Original post by Chief Wiggum
Surely even with an open application, you find out what college you will be interviewed at far enough in advance to allow you to go onto the college website and think of one or two things to say about it. It would only take a few minutes.


But I'm just answering the question that is asked. The question is "why did you choose college X" rather than "what do you like about college X" (pedantic, I know :tongue:). I take more of an issue with the fact that it is something which is explicitly outlawed in the admissions manual, and for it to carry material weight on someone's application would be against the goal of achieving college-choice equality in applications. In other words, the fact that an applicant is applying to a college should only be a side effect (and nothing more) of the applicant wishing to apply to Cambridge.

Original post by alex_hk90
This is all nice in theory but in reality I would expect that many interviewers would (subconsciously or otherwise) prefer candidates that had some enthusiasm for the college. Beyond the obvious laziness and indecisiveness, I'm finding it difficult to think of reasons why you would opt for an open application.


But you shouldn't automatically label someone as either lazy or indecisive just because they have no preference. If a candidate just wants to study at Cambridge and only sees a college as a hall of residence (which he doesn't mind being chosen through luck of the draw) then who's to deny him? It's like saying I want to live in the US but I don't mind in which state - that's not being lazy or indecisive.
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Original post by ukdragon37
But the thing is they are telling the truth, and you not "inclined" to picking them would be punishing them for that fact. People pick open applications for various reasons and it seems like the university at least wants to maintain that all applications are equal regardless of college choice.

Well I can show you basic research - if I were an interviewee and they asked me it I would just shoot back "you are not supposed to ask me that" :tongue:


Not all interviewees know that. The reason I didn't apply to Gonville and Caius? I was worried that they would ask me why I applied there (as my reason was liking the name). One of the reasons I applied to Christ's was because I could think of an answer to that question. I had no idea I couldn't be asked that. It's not exactly made explicitly clear.

Besides, as Alex said, it's a subconcious thing.
Original post by ukdragon37
But I'm just answering the question that is asked. The question is "why did you choose college X" rather than "what do you like about college X" (pedantic, I know :tongue:). I take more of an issue with the fact that it is something which is explicitly outlawed in the admissions manual, and for it to carry material weight on someone's application would be against the goal of achieving college-choice equality in applications. In other words, the fact that an applicant is applying to a college should only be a side effect (and nothing more) of the applicant wishing to apply to Cambridge.


I agree, but if there's a risk of the question coming up, it seems sensible for an applicant to have a quick think about it.
Original post by ukdragon37
But you shouldn't automatically label someone as either lazy or indecisive just because they have no preference. If a candidate just wants to study at Cambridge and only sees a college as a hall of residence (which he doesn't mind being chosen through luck of the draw) then who's to deny him?

Someone from said college who may want them to see the college as more than just a cheap hotel. :dontknow:
Original post by alex_hk90
Someone from said college who may want them to see the college as more than just a cheap hotel. :dontknow:


As far as I can see, the university has no problem with you seeing your college as just a cheap hotel, and I'm advocating you are applying principally to the university.

Original post by Chief Wiggum
I agree, but if there's a risk of the question coming up, it seems sensible for an applicant to have a quick think about it.


True, but that does not mean a student who didn't have a quick think about it should be penalised. In this case whether you are doing the sensible thing is not (or rather, should not) be under judgment.

Original post by gethsemane342
Not all interviewees know that. The reason I didn't apply to Gonville and Caius? I was worried that they would ask me why I applied there (as my reason was liking the name). One of the reasons I applied to Christ's was because I could think of an answer to that question. I had no idea I couldn't be asked that. It's not exactly made explicitly clear.

Besides, as Alex said, it's a subconcious thing.


Which is why I think it should be made clear, especially to those who make open applications, that the question is not allowed to be asked. The bottom line is that the university has made an assurance that "For equally well-qualified applicants, making an open application or applying directly to a specific College makes no difference to your chances of being made an offer", and if the question is asked it's very likely your open application status will be revealed (if they didn't know already). And in that case the subconscious factor could still kick in because you didn't actually choose the college even if you said some nice things.
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Reply 3379
Original post by alex_hk90
This is all nice in theory but in reality I would expect that many interviewers would (subconsciously or otherwise) prefer candidates that had some enthusiasm for the college. Beyond the obvious laziness and indecisiveness, I'm finding it difficult to think of reasons why you would opt for an open application.


i suppose the main reason is to maximise your chances for fair competition. when picking any college there is a chance it may oversubscribed, so by making an open application you can end up at one where you can compete with a realistic number of candidates.

but then again, i guess the pool somewhat makes this reason a less significant factor

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