The Big 'Which Cambridge College?' Thread

Has it ever occurred to the majority of people that to the chavs, THEY are rahs?

Lol chavs don't > rahs. Chavs are vile and disgusting, they're a plague on society. Bloody antisocial, uneducated pricks.

Why does wearing Jack Wills make someone pretentious? I wear Jack Wills. Also, at least so called 'Jack Wills wearing cliquey types' are cultured. Myself and my friends would much rather go out for a meal or to the theatre, than smash a bus-shelter because it makes us look "well 'ard bruv" or whatever tosh they say.

Blatant jealousy.

You're being a massive snob, to be honest. You are blurring the line between "chavs" and ordinary working-class people, of which there are as many decent ones as middle-class people. Don't turn this into a class war - you think you're better just because you can afford to go to the theatre and wear an overpriced hoodie?

What I hate most about the chavs v rahs debate is that essentially it is a warped class war. Rahs find chavs loathsome because they associate them with crime, because they wear cheap tacky clothes, because they are linked with a number of distasteful social problems (underage pregnancy, drug abuse and so on). All these things are products of poverty, to be pitied rather than hated.

Chavs, on the other hand, resent 'rahs' because they have money: they usually don't work themselves and rely extensively on their parents, they have long exotic holidays, spend money on overpriced consumerist nonsense like Jack Wills, go to private schools but often aren't especially intelligent, pay a lot to look good. All these things are products of wealth.

Actually, I find the working-class ("chav", as you so smugly denote them) resentment of those with money to throw around far more understandable than the revulsion felt by rich people towards poorer ones.

You call them "uneducated". They are uneducated because innercity schools tend to be useless and because poor children have a cr*ppy start in life at home. Stop curling your lip in revulsion that someone who might not have the cultural background and education, still less the money, to go to the theatre on a night out. I for one find you far more "vile" than any of them.

I never said anything about decent working class people, I said 'chavs'. Yes, they are working class, but there are also a few working class people who are okay. That said though, class isn't just based on money, it's a lot of things. I think I'm better than chavs, yeah. But I think pretty much everyone is, not just myself. And lol it's not overpriced.

Oh, I'm sorry, should I embrace the fact that they're criminals who spoil the economy? No, it's not to be pitied. You know the difference between right and wrong. If you don't get that at home, pick up a book on the topic, I'm sure it will say "CRIME IS WRONG" somewhere. Yeah they are associated with underage pregnancy and drug abuse, know why that annoys me? Because it's us who have to pay for it. Because the stupid girls sit on benefits for the rest of their lives in a council house, never working, spending OUR money on cheap booze and fags, having 5 more kids with 5 different fathers and bringing dragging them up to be little menaces. We have a free education system in the UK, no one has any excuse. If they choose to piss away their chances because they'd rather skip classes to be out with their little criminal "m8s" and wear their ASBOs like a badge of pride, not my problem, and I refuse to feel sorry for that.

Which is so unbelievably ridic! Everyone has the chance to work hard and get money, resenting people because their parents have a brain in their head and don't waste their money on pathetic things like cheap white lightening or whatever they drink, Idk what it is lol, is pathetic. Obviously people are going to reply on their parents, where else will they get money from until they've finished their education? What's wrong with paying to look good? And lol Jack Wills isn't over priced, it's amazing, so yeah, bit of a fail.com there. Nothing wrong with private schools either. When I'm older I'll be sending mine there, because I'll want the best for my children, didn't realise that was so wrong...


No it's not, because they have chances to be decent and they don't take them. So they take it out on those who do. It's pathetic jealousy.


They can still try. They could apply for scholarships to public schools if the ones in their area are so awful. They're just so...un-classy (if that's a word). I don't look down on them because of their financial situation btw, it's because they're uneducated oiks who commit crime. And lol thanks for that one!

*Every Rah and upperclass bigot looks proudly at your post*

I never said anything about decent working class people, I said 'chavs'. Yes, they are working class, but there are also a few working class people who are okay. That said though, class isn't just based on money, it's a lot of things. I think I'm better than chavs, yeah. But I think pretty much everyone is, not just myself. And lol it's not overpriced.

Oh, I'm sorry, should I embrace the fact that they're criminals who spoil the economy?

No, it's not to be pitied. You know the difference between right and wrong. If you don't get that at home, pick up a book on the topic, I'm sure it will say "CRIME IS WRONG" somewhere. Yeah they are associated with underage pregnancy and drug abuse, know why that annoys me? Because it's us who have to pay for it. Because the stupid girls sit on benefits for the rest of their lives in a council house, never working, spending OUR money on cheap booze and fags, having 5 more kids with 5 different fathers and bringing dragging them up to be little menaces. We have a free education system in the UK, no one has any excuse. If they choose to piss away their chances because they'd rather skip classes to be out with their little criminal "m8s" and wear their ASBOs like a badge of pride, not my problem, and I refuse to feel sorry for that.

Which is so unbelievably ridic! Everyone has the chance to work hard and get money, resenting people because their parents have a brain in their head and don't waste their money on pathetic things like cheap white lightening or whatever they drink, Idk what it is lol, is pathetic. Obviously people are going to reply on their parents, where else will they get money from until they've finished their education? What's wrong with paying to look good? And lol Jack Wills isn't over priced, it's amazing, so yeah, bit of a fail.com there. Nothing wrong with private schools either. When I'm older I'll be sending mine there, because I'll want the best for my children, didn't realise that was so wrong...

They can still try. They could apply for scholarships to public schools if the ones in their area are so awful. They're just so...un-classy (if that's a word). I don't look down on them because of their financial situation btw, it's because they're uneducated oiks who commit crime.

I suppose. But chavs, which there are an awful lot of round where I live, you can sort of ignore, dismiss them if they act like idiots and hang round street corners going "oioi yer mums a slaag." Also they generally don't think of themselves as 'better' than you...and if they do you can just laugh at them really.

Yeah I sort of understand that rahs are going to be everywhere in places like cambridge and the top unis, which is a bit annoying as it still proves we've got a looong way to go in making top higher ed instituions accessible to lower classes/income groups. I'd just out of the colleges I'm considering, go somewhere LESS private school/rah dominated than elsewhere.

I'm at Cambridge and a sociology student. Would you like to discuss the body of research surrounding the notion of "class" - what it is, whether it remains important, what it is based on? You're a class snob but I think I have the prerogative to be an intellectual one, and I know a bit more about "class" as a concept than you do. The lifestyle we lead is based on our financial situation. You like the theatre because you can afford to go, and your parents have brought you up to like it because they can afford to go. The poorest in society will never have even been into a theatre. How on earth are they possibly supposed to develop a deep love for theatre?

Wilkinson and Pickett put it in the most simple way - they describe financial situation as being a skeleton of lifestyle, over which other stuff (your tastes in music, leisure, fashion, whatever) are gradually overlaid. Theatre and the Proms and, I don't know, polo matches gradually become associated with wealth and in the end are inseparable from them.

On a more important note... http://www.jackwills.com/Store/Browse.aspx?DepartmentId=Womens&CategoryId=Womens_BasicTees

£34 for a t-shirt? Why is it I can get one in H&M or Zara, or Topshop for under a tenner? Is it gold-lined?!

Yes, the bankers who plunged the nation into a sea of crippling debt... they were all horrendous chavs. Actually, the rich and powerful have the greatest impact on 'the economy', of course they do. Bankers and politicians, owners of big companies...

Pick up a book? Pick up a book? These are largely children who won't even have seen a book until they go to the local primary aged four. And at school they'll be nurtured out of this unfortunate beginning, yes? Unfortunately it's likely that big class sizes, a multitude of other uninspired infants and frustrated, sub-standard teachers will hinder their development rather than nurture it.

Intelligence tests on children have shown that if you have two babies of 18 months - a working class child, and a middle-class baby - and the poorer one outdoes the other on IQ measures, by the age of 4 the middle-class child will have caught up and by 10 he will be cleverer than his poorer counterpart. In other words, even naturally clever children are dragged down by their situations. Does this not make you angry? How is it not grossly unfair?

I'm not saying it's impossible to defy a very poor upbringing, but it is extremely difficult. As far as "everyone has the chance to work hard and earn money"... shall we have a discussion on the literature of meritocracy? Does a meritocracy really exist, Ali? Do you really know anything about social mobility?

Their financial situation = being uneducated. You are such a moron, it hurts.

I think we're hijacking the thread lol...

Somehow, I think that was always your intention.

Lol chavs don't > rahs. Chavs are vile and disgusting, they're a plague on society. Bloody antisocial, uneducated pricks.

Why does wearing Jack Wills make someone pretentious? I wear Jack Wills. Also, at least so called 'Jack Wills wearing cliquey types' are cultured. Myself and my friends would much rather go out for a meal or to the theatre, than smash a bus-shelter because it makes us look "well 'ard bruv" or whatever tosh they say.

Blatant jealousy.

wearing jack wills doesn't equal cultured; it makes you homogenous clones. it's not jealousy to want something other than branded, expensive crap to define me as an individual.

Actually, I suggested two options there that had nothing to do with Jack Wills, that make people cultured. It's not all branded lol, you can get plenty of Jack Wills that doesn't have the name on it. And we don't look like clones, we don't all wear exactly the same items lol.

Why does wearing Jack Wills make someone pretentious? I wear Jack Wills.

You have a gigantic complex. Why in every thread are you so desperate to point out you think you are a rah as though it's the most important thing in the world? No one gives a ****. There are other things that define a person (although maybe you don't have anything else so that's why your obsessed with this) so just change the record. Thanks!

two options which, to do with regularity, you need quite a bit of dosh. on the subject of jack wills - you're not telling me that the price is due to the quality of production, rather than the name on the label, are you? and yes, you do look pretty much the same.

QED

(That's 'quod erat demonstrandum', for those who didn't have the benefit of a classical education. Latin, innit.)

Haha alright, replace rah with 'someone who wears jack wills and thinks they're posh'. My point still stands. I think you need to get off TSR tbh.