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Pretty limited take on welfare reform honestly.

It's a DWP sanctioned documentary. There's nothing going to be in there that depicts negativity surrounding how they deliver benefits.

However if you go and watch 'I, Daniel Blake' - you get another side of the story which may make you feel differently or broaden your horizons at least.

There is a middle ground that exists where people are both being let down, and supported. On one hand my sister absolutely loves UC, she reports her childcare costs every assessment period without carry on, can use her phone with it, add messages to the journal almost like it's a social network. She can make a change on her account whilst sat in the bath at 11:30pm. Her Work Coach helped her get a new job when she was made redundant.

On the other hand I had to represent my family member at a UC WCA tribunal last year - they have Huntington's disease. Luckily I didn't need to actually have any input because I don't think I would have stopped talking - the judge/doc/disability specialist allowed their appeal in a heartbeat on the medical evidence without any discussion needed. I could have cried, my family member certainly did!

There's a lot more going on than what is depicted in that documentary.
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Not really you will see I have answered in detail enough on this thread, but spend most of my time answering other threads where actual advice is needed. This thread is a pointless rant. Believe it or not most people come on TSR for advice.
You wouldnt know as you never do anything constructive on TSR as it is.
Sock puppets are dull.
Never mind the personal quips. I'm just interested in whether you think there's any truth to what monkey best said. Just incase you missed it...


"You dont need qualifications to clean a hotel room or pick fruit in a field then why do employers say time after time local Brits in those areas dont want to do that work. Live in the wrong area LOL but someone from Latvia lives in right area then? Even employers say Brexit may stop their source of labour so why wont the Brits do those jobs? Answer because they think its beneath them, they are too lazy and welfare provides an easier option."

Do you believe there is any truth in this? It's an extremely valid point. In my experience, whenever you see people complaining about immigrants taking jobs, whether it be on the news, or online, or wherever; it is always those complaining who wouldn't be able to do the jobs themselves, or wouldn't bother applying. It's a chronic issue. I remember once seeing an article on the news about someone who owned a fruit farm. She'd advertised essentially for fruit pickers. She had several applicants, none of which were British. Why?
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(Original post by imlikeahermit)

Do you believe there is any truth in this? It's an extremely valid point. In my experience, whenever you see people complaining about immigrants taking jobs, whether it be on the news, or online, or wherever; it is always those complaining who wouldn't be able to do the jobs themselves, or wouldn't bother applying. It's a chronic issue. I remember once seeing an article on the news about someone who owned a fruit farm. She'd advertised essentially for fruit pickers. She had several applicants, none of which were British. Why?
You actually think he/she is capable of giving a sensible response? Dream on! His best argument for someone on welfare spending all their cash on cigs and booze then ending up at a food bank is that the revenue contributed from him smoking contributes to the tax take!! Its no wonder this country is going to the dogs and rapidly becoming 3rd world when that is the best reasoning for people spending taxpayers money on non-essentials then wondering why they end up moaning at a food bank they dont have enough £. When its someone else money it will never be enough as you have no value for something handed to you rather than earned! Period.

No doubt he/she probably things they should kill a few birds with one stone and together with food at food banks why not hand out free tobacco, 6 packs of booze, vouchers for sky, free gas/electric. In fact why should those on welfare have to pay for anything?! As I said Britain, a country where only fools work!

Boris, sort it you were given the voters mandate to fix this once and for all. We wouldnt have 3 mill migrant workers here if lazy Brits did the jobs they do.
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(Original post by imlikeahermit)
Never mind the personal quips. I'm just interested in whether you think there's any truth to what monkey best said. Just incase you missed it...


"You dont need qualifications to clean a hotel room or pick fruit in a field then why do employers say time after time local Brits in those areas dont want to do that work. Live in the wrong area LOL but someone from Latvia lives in right area then? Even employers say Brexit may stop their source of labour so why wont the Brits do those jobs? Answer because they think its beneath them, they are too lazy and welfare provides an easier option."

Do you believe there is any truth in this? It's an extremely valid point. In my experience, whenever you see people complaining about immigrants taking jobs, whether it be on the news, or online, or wherever; it is always those complaining who wouldn't be able to do the jobs themselves, or wouldn't bother applying. It's a chronic issue. I remember once seeing an article on the news about someone who owned a fruit farm. She'd advertised essentially for fruit pickers. She had several applicants, none of which were British. Why?
those jobs pay below the minimum wage and break labour laws.

Irish travellers used to do them before the law was changed.
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those jobs pay below the minimum wage and break labour laws.

Irish travellers used to do them before the law was changed.
A hotel cleaner does not pay below the minimum wage
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A hotel cleaner does not pay below the minimum wage
https://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4032

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-few-rights-uk

These immigrants are just doing slave labour
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Missing the point why are Brits saying there arent any jobs yet at the same time there are 3 million migrants working here? Why arent Brits doing those jobs? Because they think its beneath them or they just plain bone idle.

In fact most of the medical assessors are not doctors they are actually nurses or other allied healthcare professionals. If you are called to attend and dont show up then clearly your benefit will be stopped so question is why dont you show up if you truly think you have a legitimate case?

In years gone by you could simply fill in a few forms and stay on disability benefits with no assessments whatsoever when they were introduced the numbers found fit to work were truly shocking.
Those jobs are slave labour. That's why we import immigrants to do them.

A Brit would never accept 5 pound an hour and no break and no employee bonuses.


https://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4032

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-few-rights-uk
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Oh as usual the benefits bashers are out in force.

Bunch of idiots try living off them it isn’t a picnic and they most definitely should be higher than what they are.

This is one of the things we pay tax for should we need it one day just like when you need A&E or a fire putting out in your home.
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Those jobs are slave labour. That's why we import immigrants to do them.

A Brit would never accept 5 pound an hour and no break and no employee bonuses.


https://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4032

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-few-rights-uk
And neither should a British person work for illegal wages that aren’t possible to live a minimum standard of living
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Anyone watch the BBC show yesterday, it would make taxpayers blEEd(fixed) to see the attitude displayed by the applicants on there.

Then they would all complain the amount given isnt enough well heres a thought sherlock get a job!! The females would enter the office with 3 inches of make up on saying they cant work with the latest iphone in hand.

Then another workless guy at the end said if they dont give me a handout said if they dont pay me I am going to nick stuff but on giro day when he goes to the cash machine to get £hundreds of taxpayers cash he has the obligatory cigarette in mouth so if you aint got money for food where has the money for cigarettes come from?

Another applicant commented the Universal Credit system is so tough I had to go and get a job...hang on a minute isnt that the idea? If not working is going to put you in poverty then get a job and pull yourself out of it.
Such a broad title for what's being on topic here. I know what you mean. Unfortunately, some people don't have the confidence to stay in work and with who they work with. Like that someone with inches of make up, who dependent on it if they feel they're not going to fit in and that smoker who doesn't want to go "cold turkey" to see how it feels like not having a smoke, so unfortunately that's what going on in people's lives.

When JSA was there, they used to send people onto work programs to get to them, just to stop doing just those things to try to get them to understand that they shouldn't be doing that.

Some things were a BIG NO-NO and they got scolded for it. For example, if getting travelling money back was on the work program but it was for bus fare, people wouldn't read that it was only for bus fare. Many of them were taking the train thinking they got money back for that. Some of the folks that did that, they had very big waistlines. Why can't they get out of the house, walk around a bit and wait for a bus? They could even walk it to the programs. You see the queues to collect travel money back, they were long and they could have walked it and enjoyed the sit and time to walk. Not like they were in a rush to get in and out of their homes to watch television or use the internet (which requires electricity which needs to be paid for). People had to go to these programs or they had their benefits stopped. This was when they were on JSA.
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And neither should a British person work for illegal wages that aren’t possible to live a minimum standard of living
Yet all technology, most clothing and most imported food is created from slave labour.

Just look at the iphone factories in Asia.
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And neither should a British person work for illegal wages that aren’t possible to live a minimum standard of living
We better get used to it. Be the only way we can compete once we’ve left.
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Yet all technology, most clothing and most imported food is created from slave labour.

Just look at the iphone factories in Asia.
I couldn’t care less what happens in other countries it is up to those people to make their own rules, systems and institutions that they require.
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Here's an idea...

Those who are on benefits and able bodied should be given priority on a conscription list

I'm sure those who are so enthusiastic to take from of our social welfare would be equally as enthusiastic to serve their country in a time of need.
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And neither should a British person work for illegal wages that aren’t possible to live a minimum standard of living
Even the jobs with a living wage Brits turn their noses up at when benefits pay more. End of the day its easy to say benefits arent enough for someone using other peoples money it will never be enough as something you havent earned through graft and effort you have zero value for, period!
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I watched the episode now so revisiting this thread, I'm not sure what you are expecting out of the claimants that were being followed by the cameras.

One was homeless and rough sleeping in a park.

One was on JSA for 10 years and the cameras played him as being a cheeky rogue who looked upon employment with amusement - only to finally reveal at the end he has had an immense drug problem as evidenced by his arms looking like a patchwork quilt.

The other was in employment for probably longer than OP has been alive - 27 years. Only left for childcare circumstances.

I don't see how any of these people should be looked down upon.
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Yet all technology, most clothing and most imported food is created from slave labour.

Just look at the iphone factories in Asia.
Tbf, most are not exactly slave labour (they pay wages) but more like extremely pressurised labour. They are often forcing people to work overtime and they often have harsh conditions and fire people at whim and with no due process. The whole industrial system of China relies heavily on migrant labour coming to the cities, typically with no access to local services in those cities. All of the big corporations operating in China, like Apple, also rely on myriads of downstream supplier factories in countries like Vietnam where conditions for workers are even worse. Indentured labour is often common in countries like India.
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Welcome back, Boris Johnson.
Your posts are so despicable you deserve to be ignored.
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Tbf, most are not exactly slave labour (they pay wages) but more like extremely pressurised labour. They are often forcing people to work overtime and they often have harsh conditions and fire people at whim and with no due process. The whole industrial system of China relies heavily on migrant labour coming to the cities, typically with no access to local services in those cities. All of the big corporations operating in China, like Apple, also rely on myriads of downstream supplier factories in countries like Vietnam where conditions for workers are even worse. Indentured labour is often common in countries like India.
The irony is there products are used by millions in this country who have never worked and have no intention to.

As mentioned before only fools work in the UK and only fools save in this country as the country is so leftist it punishes saving with things like inheritance tax, capital gains tax etc

At the last election you had labour promising free everything, want a free penthouse in central London? sure just fill a form in blah blah and its yours courtesy of the taxpayer. One thought that would work but clearly the legions on welfare would have lapped it up but the working poor shunned the idea so credit to them that they feel the way out of deprivation is hard work and graft not endless handouts.

You don't need skills to clean rooms, make coffee or flip burgers all jobs with living wages but Brits shun those when welfare is the better and easier option. Hey maybe they are being smart doing nothing and smoking all day in their rent free place.

Hopefully Brexit will give them a kick up the butt to force them to work against their will
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As mentioned before only fools work in the UK and only fools save in this country as the country is so leftist it punishes saving with things like inheritance tax, capital gains tax etc
Bit confused. Why am I a fool for working in the UK?

And why am I a fool for saving here? I have £75k cash saved, I pay no tax on it. Capital gains isnt for savings, but I have a further £170k of capital assets, none of which are taxed. OK if £30k of that £170k rose 30% in value then capital gains would be due if I were to crystallise the profit in one tax year then I'd have to pay capital gains. Not an issue yet.
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