How feminist is UK as a whole compared to US?

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Is it more extreme here do you think?
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Seriously, from what I've seen, England is one of the most progressive places on earth in terms of equality. We've had female politicians and CEOS for years, ever a few female leaders. I wouldn't classify England as feminist orientated because of the negative connotations associated with the word but England is very equal for everyone as a whole. Thats not to say there isn't a few pockets of nob heads that seem to arise and make headlines, buts that just the very noisy minority.
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Be aware that in the UK there is no such thing as freedom of speech and a thought crime is an actual thing here. In the US if one of the really mental ones starts yelling something about mansplaing at you. You can simply call he a c*unt and just walk away. Here you will get a jail time.
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Be aware that in the UK there is no such thing as freedom of speech and a thought crime is an actual thing here. In the US if one of the really mental ones starts yelling something about mansplaing at you. You can simply call he a c*unt and just walk away. Here you will get a jail time.
This is also true. Freedom of speech is very restricted. Anything that may be deemed hateful can count as a hate crime. Like that guy that made a joke out of hitler with the pug,
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Seriously, from what I've seen, England is one of the most progressive places on earth in terms of equality. We've had female politicians and CEOS for years, ever a few female leaders. I wouldn't classify England as feminist orientated because of the negative connotations associated with the word but England is very equal for everyone as a whole. Thats not to say there isn't a few pockets of nob heads that seem to arise and make headlines, buts that just the very noisy minority.
So you're saying very few women hold radical views?
I'm not from UK myself, so I was curious about the scene of feminism there.
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So you're saying very few women hold radical views?
I'm not from UK myself, so I was curious about the scene of feminism there.
If you actively seek them out then yeah, you're gonna find quite a few extreme left and extreme right and extreme whatever like you do in all societies, but in most day to day circumstances, people are chill, respect your stance and just get on with their lives, regardless of your gender, sexual orientation, race and anything else.
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All you need to the know is while the vast majority of people here 95%+ believe in full gender equality, only 7% of women self identify as feminists. That's because they see the dictionary definition of feminism and then see what it's like in the real world and online.
Btw that 5% that don't believe in full gender equality are predominantly ethnic minorities with ideas and cultures they've brought with them, so feminists hardly want to talk about them.
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quite a few of the ladies here burned their bras a while ago; they seem to have calmed down a bit since then ?
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What a bizarre post. Given that feminism is a quest for equality on all sides, you make it sound like a bad thing.
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What a bizarre post. Given that feminism is a quest for equality on all sides, you make it sound like a bad thing.
I don’t think feminism is bad, but if you search on the internet you can see how opinions are changing to it being something negative
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So you're saying very few women hold radical views?
I'm not from UK myself, so I was curious about the scene of feminism there.
95% (ish) of people believe in equality between men and women. But feminism has been so derailed by a men-hating vocal minority (that's overly broadcasted by the media and universities) that it's now seen by some as a dirty word.
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Relative to the US? Very feminist. The UK is probably one of the most feminist countries in the world. Feminism is highly institutionalised in this country both on the left:

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The education system is probability where you find the greatest influence of this ideology. Academics and students have been fired and expelled from their jobs/schools/universities/colleges for criticising feminism or presenting beliefs that do not conform with feminist dogma.

Despite being highly institiognalsied, feminism is highly unpopular. The majority of the general public oppose feminism with only 7% of the population willing to identify with this label.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/li...ves-feminists/

Despite being a democratic country, the state in this country, in so far as feminism is concerned, does not reflect the views of the general public. Feminism, if you will, is an ideology imposed on people in this country.
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What a bizarre post. Given that feminism is a quest for equality on all sides, you make it sound like a bad thing.
Equality is a state where everyone has the same rights. Its an all or nothing concept. Feminism opposes fathers and mothers having the same right of say in abortion. Hence, feminism opposes equality. There is also a branch of feminism that calls itself equity feminism, which teaches its followers that equality is wrong and that it should be replaced with equity. Hence, your claim that feminism is about equality is wrong on a number of levels. Not all feminists believe in equality and those that claim to, do not support universal equality. Your definition for feminism is, in its entirety, false.

A more accurate description of feminism is as follows:

"A marxists communist ideology that believes that we live in a world run by a sexist system it calls the 'patriarchy'. A system created by men to oppress and enslave women to men. Feminism aims to depose this 'patriarchy'"

Equality is not a goal for feminism. It's not even an issue for feminism. Its an inaccurate word feminists often use to sell their ideology to people, a word disconnected from the reality of feminism.
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Be aware that in the UK there is no such thing as freedom of speech and a thought crime is an actual thing here. In the US if one of the really mental ones starts yelling something about mansplaing at you. You can simply call he a c*unt and just walk away. Here you will get a jail time.
You are aware that the US also doesn't have true freedom of speach? There are very clear restrictions on what you can say, the same as it is here.
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You are aware that the US also doesn't have true freedom of speach? There are very clear restrictions on what you can say, the same as it is here.
The US doesn't have hate speech laws, the UK does. And hate speech definitions are the complete opposite of 'clear', they're by their very nature ambiguous
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The US doesn't have hate speech laws, the UK does. And hate speech definitions are the complete opposite of 'clear', they're by their very nature ambiguous
I was replying to the other user who said the US had freedom of speach and compared it to the UK, I was just saying that the US doesn't have complete freedom of speach. I'm fully aware of the hate speach legislative differences. And I didn't say hate speach definitions were clear, I said what is protected and unprotected speach in the US are clear, as it is. You just misread my message.
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What a bizarre post. Given that feminism is a quest for equality on all sides, you make it sound like a bad thing.
because it is and has gone too far (i am saying this as a proud anti-feminist 1st world western girl.) fellow ladies pay your half of the bill before demanding for more!!
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I was replying to the other user who said the US had freedom of speach and compared it to the UK, I was just saying that the US doesn't have complete freedom of speach. I'm fully aware of the hate speach legislative differences. And I didn't say hate speach definitions were clear, I said what is protected and unprotected speach in the US are clear, as it is. You just misread my message.
But u said "the same as it is here [in the UK]". We have less free speech than the usa
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quite a few of the ladies here burned their bras a while ago; they seem to have calmed down a bit since then ?
I burnt mine in the 80s and have never looked backless
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