How feminist is UK as a whole compared to US?

But u said "the same as it is here [in the UK]". We have less free speech than the usa

I meant that there is clear legislation that distinguishes protected and unprotected speach, not that we have the same freedom of speach.

I burnt mine in the 80s and have never looked backless

thanks for getting that off your chest harrys

I'm glad I took the plunge

You are aware that the US also doesn't have true freedom of speach? There are very clear restrictions on what you can say, the same as it is here.

I was replying to the other user who said the US had freedom of speach and compared it to the UK, I was just saying that the US doesn't have complete freedom of speach. I'm fully aware of the hate speach legislative differences. And I didn't say hate speach definitions were clear, I said what is protected and unprotected speach in the US are clear, as it is. You just misread my message.

I guarantee you that if you retweet something about transgender in the U S, unlike here you won't get a copper at your door saying it could be a non crime hate crime and he was there "to check your thinking."

I don’t think feminism is bad, but if you search on the internet you can see how opinions are changing to it being something negative

Equality is a state where everyone has the same rights. Its an all or nothing concept. Feminism opposes fathers and mothers having the same right of say in abortion. Hence, feminism opposes equality. There is also a branch of feminism that calls itself equity feminism, which teaches its followers that equality is wrong and that it should be replaced with equity. Hence, your claim that feminism is about equality is wrong on a number of levels. Not all feminists believe in equality and those that claim to, do not support universal equality. Your definition for feminism is, in its entirety, false.

A more accurate description of feminism is as follows:

"A marxists communist ideology that believes that we live in a world run by a sexist system it calls the 'patriarchy'. A system created by men to oppress and enslave women to men. Feminism aims to depose this 'patriarchy'"

Equality is not a goal for feminism. It's not even an issue for feminism. Its an inaccurate word feminists often use to sell their ideology to people, a word disconnected from the reality of feminism.

My concern is for those who hear the more extreme but noisy minority views on feminism and then conclude that
A) This is the sole view of what feminism is
B) All people who idemtify as feminists (myself included) hold these same views.

The last time I looked, feminism was just a word in a dictionary.

It certainly didn't have opinions on issues like abortion or marxism (whatever that is).

That is not to say that "some" people who define themselves as feminists have extreme views that others might argue contradict the equality aspect.

My concern is for those who hear the more extreme but noisy minority views on feminism and then conclude that
A) This is the sole view of what feminism is
B) All people who idemtify as feminists (myself included) hold these same views.

Yes, the problem is
A The majority of agenda setters in the movement, the ones that write all the books that are on the gender studies lists at Uni are far more likely to be in the loony extremist end of the movement.
B The less radical man hating feminists don't step forward and call them out when these others do such **** as "# kill all men"

Some examples by leading feminist.
"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." - Robin Morgan

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." - Sally Gearhart

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." - Sheila Cronin

"I mean, I would actually put them all in some kind of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans. I would give them a choice of vehicles to drive around with, give them no porn, they wouldn’t be able to fight – we would have wardens, of course! Women who want to see their sons or male loved ones would be able to go and visit, or take them out like a library book, and then bring them back." -- Julie Bindel

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." - Valerie Solana

I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." - Andrea Dworkin

"The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men." - Sharon Stone


You'll have to look long and hard to find articles by other feminists condemning any of these statements

Is it more extreme here do you think?

In other words, good sir, you do not know feminism.

How far are you willing to go to avoid admitting that you made a mistake in claiming that feminism is for equality? To deny that feminism has opinions on abortion and marxism is beyond ludicrous. One of the fundamental tenets of feminism is body autonomy whose aims have since the 60s been to legalise abortion and to deny men any right of say in the matter. This is a universal concept in feminism. All feminist theorists subscribe to it without one single exception. No feminist theorist argues in favour of equal rights for fathers and mothers in matters of abortion. Not one single feminist theorist. Equality, what equality? Equality flies out of the window in feminism where it does not benefit women.

Are you actually trying to argue that mainstream feminist theorists do not support the idea that only women should have a say in abortion? Like, come on!!!

None of the examples I gave you pertain to radical feminism. Equity feminists are the most mainstream of all branches of feminism. They are an extremely moderate branch of feminism that claims to campaign for a fairer society for both women and men. They purport to pursue this goal through peaceful means. They do not associate in any way shape or form with radical feminism that aims to impose change/its beliefs on the world.
As for abortion, again all feminists agree on the matter that only mothers should have a say in abortion.

You want equality right? Perhaps you are implying that you support the idea that fathers should also have an equal say in abortion to the mother carrying the child? If the answer to this question is no....then you prove my point. I doubt very much that you have the courage to admit to this answer and its conclusion. Feminism is not a pursuit of equality.

The less radical man hating feminists don't step forward and call them out

Some examples by leading feminist.
"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." - Robin Morgan

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." - Sally Gearhart

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." - Sheila Cronin

"I mean, I would actually put them all in some kind of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans. I would give them a choice of vehicles to drive around with, give them no porn, they wouldn’t be able to fight – we would have wardens, of course! Women who want to see their sons or male loved ones would be able to go and visit, or take them out like a library book, and then bring them back." -- Julie Bindel

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." - Valerie Solana

I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." - Andrea Dworkin

"The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men." - Sharon Stone

Relative to the US? Very feminist. The UK is probably one of the most feminist countries in the world. Feminism is highly institutionalised in this country both on the left:


and the right:

The education system is probability where you find the greatest influence of this ideology. Academics and students have been fired and expelled from their jobs/schools/universities/colleges for criticising feminism or presenting beliefs that do not conform with feminist dogma.

Despite being highly institiognalsied, feminism is highly unpopular. The majority of the general public oppose feminism with only 7% of the population willing to identify with this label.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/only-7-per-cent-of-britons-consider-themselves-feminists/

Despite being a democratic country, the state in this country, in so far as feminism is concerned, does not reflect the views of the general public. Feminism, if you will, is an ideology imposed on people in this country.

And more to the point, controversial arguments on topics such as rape or abortion and whose rights prevail only affect a handful of people

And our society aside, many millions of women around the world are denied education, are mutilated, married as teenagers, forced into slavery and prostitution.

In other words, it is a noisy sideshow.