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This evening's discussion after yesterday's very successful thread: Are Brexiteers Stupid? concentrates on whether it is time for Scotland to break apart and become finally a modern independent country.

Only the thought that in the country of Scotland there is not going to be a Tory Government ever again, no more Kings and Queens, no more Brexit, no more English Rule, no more of the ecstatic and idiotic arguments the rest of us are subjected over the past decade, no more of this continuous propaganda, deceptions, twists of everything we used to know until now, no more of this populism & stupidity.

This is a golden chance and with just one referendum Scotland will get rid off all it's problems once and for all. It's a dream scenario boys & girls of Scotland. One right move and you disengage with this ludicrous system of Governance which involves Kings, Queens, and Barons, forever.

There could be nothing better..
All European Countries will welcome Scotland and this is where her place is.
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This evening's discussion after yesterday's very successful thread: Are Brexiteers Stupid? concentrates on whether it is time for Scotland to break apart and become finally a modern independent country.

Only the thought that in the country of Scotland there is not going to be a Tory Government ever again, no more Kings and Queens, no more Brexit, no more English Rule, no more of the ecstatic and idiotic arguments the rest of us are subjected over the past decade, no more of this continuous propaganda, deceptions, twists of everything we used to know until now, no more of this populism & stupidity.

This is a golden chance and with just one referendum Scotland will get rid off all it's problems once and for all. It's a dream scenario boys & girls of Scotland. One right move and you disengage with this ludicrous system of Governance which involves Kings, Queens, and Barons, forever.

There could be nothing better..
All European Countries will welcome Scotland and this is where her place is.
Yes. I definitely think there should be an independence movement in Fife and Kirkcudbrightshire and Wigtownshire should form a Federal Stewartry with neutral capital at St John’s Town of Dalry
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Yes. I definitely think there should be an independence movement in Fife and Kirkcudbrightshire and Wigtownshire should form a Federal Stewartry with neutral capital at St John’s Town of Dalry
It's Shetland's oil!
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It's Shetland's oil!
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no more Kings and Queens

One right move and you disengage with this ludicrous system of Governance which involves Kings, Queens, and Barons, forever.
Errrrrrrrr I think you'll find many yes voters like me want the Scottish Crown back.

A vote for independence isnt a vote against the Scottish Crown.

Nor is it a vote to rejoin the anti democratic EU and give away our new freedom to Romania and Germany.
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Hello Mr Quary,

First of all, in an independence referendum, given the outcome is indepedence, the Scots will say goodbye to the English Monarchy and to the likes of Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Reeg Moss, and Nigel Farage.

I hope this I clarify these points so not for us to get confused.

Now in terms of Scotland to be modern and independent into my opinion must say bye bye to Monarchy in general. Just like most modern and democratic countries.

Now whether Scotland will be governed by Germany and give away it's freedom to Romania and Bulgaria, these arguments are usually originating by English far right & right circles and constitute incredible propaganda and Brexit ''wisdom" upon which the vote was stolen in the EU referendum back in 2016.

ARGUMENTS
Freedom from the oppresion of EU
Take our country back
Romanians & Bulgarians
Open up to the world

And other ludicrous arguments
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Scotland should be independent with the whole meaning of the word independence.

Indeoebdent from anachronistic ideas such as the Monarchy.

I am sure that If the Scots become independent and join the EU or even make an arrangement similar to Norway for example, they will have much greater chances of stability and prosperity.

The EU Nations will of course welcome Scotland in the Union.

The difficulty is Spain with it's current issue with Catalonia.
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Sometimes when I write from my mobile phone words don't come out as I wanted them to come....
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Hello Mr Quary,

First of all, in an independence referendum, given the outcome is indepedence, the Scots will say goodbye to the English Monarchy and to the likes of Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Reeg Moss, and Nigel Farage.

I hope this I clarify these points so not for us to get confused.

Now in terms of Scotland to be modern and independent into my opinion must say bye bye to Monarchy in general. Just like most modern and democratic countries.

Now whether Scotland will be governed by Germany and give away it's freedom to Romania and Bulgaria, these arguments are usually originating by English far right & right circles and constitute incredible propaganda and Brexit ''wisdom" upon which the vote was stolen in the EU referendum back in 2016.

ARGUMENTS
Freedom from the oppresion of EU
Take our country back
Romanians & Bulgarians
Open up to the world

And other ludicrous arguments
That really is a massive chip that you're carrying around on your shoulder.
I bet you're fun at parties 🎉
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What do you mean Mr ColinDent?

Be a bit more specific please
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The Scots have a Golden Opportunity to break away from the stupidity and idiocy of the English Crown.

The sooner they do it the better for them.

And don't worry about the Romanians & Bulgarians. Let these issues be dealt with the Brexiteers in England.

Have a look at my other Thread:

Are Brexiteers Stupid?
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Hello Mr Lucfeir

When we leave we will be able to decide these things. However you're being very presumptive to think we want to give away our fishing rights and not have a monarch as head of state. That will be for the Scottish people to decide. As will the name of our currency and the official language.

For your information there currently is not an English Crown - are you talking about a future English Crown after we leave the UK?
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Of course you will need to decide. Nobody will force you to do anything whichbis not in the best interest of Scotland.

In the referendum however a large portion of the Scots around 62% voted to remain.

Obviously now they will have to renegotiate what you have just told me. All the policies will be down in the table.

But the idea that Scotland will be away from the English Monarch, the likes of Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Reeg Moss etc is so attractive that nobody can resist. You don't have to be Scottish to want Scottish independence .

I think the vast vast majority of all European Nations will welcome the Independence movement and Independence from the UK regardless on whether Scotland will join the EU.

By UK most of Europeans mean a camouflage version of England.

I thought the Head of State was the Queen of England. In that sense I write what I wrote.
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Apologies again but my mobile phone seems to have issues when I write words that come out with the wrong spelling
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In the referendum however a large portion of the Scots around 62% voted to remain.

But the idea that Scotland will be away from the English Monarch,

I thought the Head of State was the Queen of England. In that sense I write what I wrote.
And 56% voted No. Things change.

There hasn't been a King or Queen of England since the early 1600s, just google it....
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This evening's discussion after yesterday's very successful thread: Are Brexiteers Stupid? concentrates on whether it is time for Scotland to break apart and become finally a modern independent country.

Only the thought that in the country of Scotland there is not going to be a Tory Government ever again, no more Kings and Queens, no more Brexit, no more English Rule, no more of the ecstatic and idiotic arguments the rest of us are subjected over the past decade, no more of this continuous propaganda, deceptions, twists of everything we used to know until now, no more of this populism & stupidity.

This is a golden chance and with just one referendum Scotland will get rid off all it's problems once and for all. It's a dream scenario boys & girls of Scotland. One right move and you disengage with this ludicrous system of Governance which involves Kings, Queens, and Barons, forever.

There could be nothing better..
All European Countries will welcome Scotland and this is where her place is.
The last stupid thread you created was closed, and various posts removed which made various delusional renainers look stupid (#surprise) you have now tried to carry it on, on a different thread.

I think that might be close to what ColinDent was getting at in the below post

(Original post by ColinDent)
That really is a massive chip that you're carrying around on your shoulder.
I bet you're fun at parties 🎉
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I don't believe Scotland could manage on their own.
Not with the SNP in charge.
They spend far too much

Also if Scotland joined the EU would the EU just bankroll the SNPs spending? I suspect other smaller EU countries would not be happy with that.

Let's also not forget the SNP hate oil and want to be carbon neutral far earlier than the rest of the EU and UK.

But Its their choice so they can go for it. But wasn't their more votes in Scotland for pro unity parties in the last GE?
I think if there is to be another referendum then the SNP has to prove their has been a significant shift in public opinion.
The last GE just proved that Scotland does not like Tories.. which we already knew.
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I don't believe Scotland could manage on their own.
Not with the SNP in charge.
They spend far too much

Also if Scotland joined the EU would the EU just bankroll the SNPs spending? I suspect other smaller EU countries would not be happy with that.

Let's also not forget the SNP hate oil and want to be carbon neutral far earlier than the rest of the EU and UK.

But Its their choice so they can go for it. But wasn't their more votes in Scotland for pro unity parties in the last GE?
I think if there is to be another referendum then the SNP has to prove their has been a significant shift in public opinion.
The last GE just proved that Scotland does not like Tories.. which we already knew.
As you said the spend a lot especially on things that seem absolutely ridiculous to come from the money of the taxpayer. There are Scottish people who like the tories (certainly many of the Brexiteers (but then some of these just want full independence) and people who prefer their views on tax and capitalism vs socialism), but certainly less than in England, although I recall a few times where the tories slightly lost out on a seat. I won’t be staying in Scotland once I’m done with secondary school this year (unless I end up here at uni) as I dislike the government who have their priorities wrong (the U.K. government isn’t perfect, but I find it to be better).

My family used to vote labour, then switched to SNP (I was the only one who didn’t want Scottish independence), then actually thought Jeremy Corbyn was alright before he went really socialist, and now they’re pro-conservative and anti-independence and hush me when I mention how they were buying SNP and “YES” merchandise a few years back. 🙂

I’m more neutral myself (right-leaning), but a key thing for me is the inheritance tax which I think shouldn’t occur for a relatively low sum of money which someone could have earned through a lot of hard work (being a doctor or something), and labour wanted to lower the amount at which it’s taxed even more.
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but a key thing for me is the inheritance tax which I think shouldn’t occur for a relatively low sum of money which someone could have earned through a lot of hard work (being a doctor or something), and labour wanted to lower the amount at which it’s taxed even more.
A small sum like ONE MILLION POUNDS?
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I don't believe Scotland could manage on their own.
Not with the SNP in charge.
They spend far too much

Also if Scotland joined the EU would the EU just bankroll the SNPs spending? I suspect other smaller EU countries would not be happy with that.

Let's also not forget the SNP hate oil and want to be carbon neutral far earlier than the rest of the EU and UK.

But Its their choice so they can go for it. But wasn't their more votes in Scotland for pro unity parties in the last GE?
I think if there is to be another referendum then the SNP has to prove their has been a significant shift in public opinion.
The last GE just proved that Scotland does not like Tories.. which we already knew.
I dont think Scotland rejoining the EU is unlikely, they have bigger fish to fry at the moment.
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