Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

I could declare my self a woman (maybe stick a wig on) and win the Olympics Gold Medal for Women’s boxing.

How does this work for intersex people? With combinations of chromosomes other than XX and XY?

No you actually couldn't.

Id like to see a trans league.. want to see who can win, the transgirl with lowered testosterone, vs the trans guy being pumped full of it..

Genuinly.. who would win?

Yeah I can. Real Women probably have to take steroids to get anywhere near my amount of muscle mass.

Trans women may say they are women but biologically they are still very much male. In the interest of fairness they should compete with men. But that would probably be labelled transphobic so alternatively they should have their own competition.

Good point! That is actually something mentioned in the article I linked, it's well worth a read. It is very true that trans women may (the key word being may) have other advantages that won't go away after transitioning. However, the fact of the matter is that cis women could have these advantages too, and trans women may not, so it's unfair to force trans women to compete with men. Nobody's out there measuring the bone density, limb length, or individual heights of cis women to deem whether or not they should be allowed to compete in high school sports- that would be absurd. For example, my school has a (very casual) all women basketball team. My transgender friend (who's 5"7, so a bit taller than average for a woman but shorter than average for a man) was forced to join the mens team. Meanwhile, my cis classmate (who has thyroid issues) and so is 6"7 is a treasured member of the team, since her biological advantage has helped the team win many matches. Is that fair? Should we start excluding all women with natural advantages?

The way I see it is this: trans women may, or may not, have advantages over some cis women post-transition. But all cis men will have an advantage over transgender women. Very, very few women would be able to succeed in male competitive sports (and I say this as a cis woman). If you wouldn't force a 6"7 woman to join a men's team, why force a 5"7 woman who happened to be born male?

I could declare my self a woman (maybe stick a wig on) and win the Olympics Gold Medal for Women’s boxing.

Yeah I can. Real Women probably have to take steroids to get anywhere near my amount of muscle mass.

Bless your cotton socks.

Case-by-case bases IIRC (hence the Semenya controversy).

I just don't know how the trans atheletes don't feel shame.

I mean, I have been in their shoes.. I get their perspective, and its really tough for them to not be able to be abale to live and compete in the way they feel is natural/right for them..

But equally back when i was in their possition, I felt really shameful and embarassed when I thought of things like this. I played casual sport and physical things with girls.. including rock climbing. I could go to a route that a lot of girls were struggling with, and do it.. but I would never then feel good about being the only girl who did it, or bragged or put myself in that catagory of 'girl' when it came to sporting/athletic things.. because I was huge compared to them, much stronger, and it was so blatently unfair that to be proud of winning would have made me feel ashamed. Its like a teenager winning a race against kids and then celebrating.. so what? You beat someone that you have a biological advantage over? good for you..

I think in this case, trans people will need to accept that there is no easy solution, and just not participating in competitive/professional level sport is probably the best thing. no one has a right to compete.. there are many people who would love to, but can't because of a whole variety of reasons. Trans is just one of those reasons for me. Unless the trans women want to compete with men - in which case go for it. They will be at a disadvantage due to their lower testosterone level.. but that should help them to understand what the girls they are now competing against feel like.

No you actually couldn't.