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Chelsea F.C. Thread IX

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Reply 1380

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by Zerforax
A couple of points:

- Haaland had a release clause hence going for that fee otherwise Dortmund would've insisted on over 100mil
- Haaland will only turn 22 this summer and he's played in Norway, Austria and Germany. No doubt he is a talent but still unproven to the premier league (though I expect him to smash it)
- Lukaku was sold at the prime of his career at 28 and had already done it in England and shown he is a consistent goalscorer

I'd argue his age and the fact that he's one of the most sought after young players would increase his value compared to Lukaku.
Lukaku was proven you're right but he's was only declining in the prem in the last couple of years he was there so I never understand that argument. If we could go back to 2016/17, then sure.

Reply 1381

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by bj27
I know, well I said already I'd rather have havertz for another year and try for Haaland, Broja having a solid season for Southampton and Abraham having a good season for Roma only further solidifies my point.

I hope people don't come up with the nonsense that we are only a striker away, we've had quality strikers but they don't work in the system. We're stuck with Lukaku anyway for now.

I don't mind trying Broja alongside Havertz. CBs and LWB should be priority or we'll look like Liverpool without van dijk.

Reply 1382

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by GrandMedic
I'd argue his age and the fact that he's one of the most sought after young players would increase his value compared to Lukaku.
Lukaku was proven you're right but he's was only declining in the prem in the last couple of years he was there so I never understand that argument. If we could go back to 2016/17, then sure.


Well the release clause dictated the transfer fee.

And the lower transfer fee meant Haaland was able to negotiate a bigger wage packet from Man City.

Just was pointing out that set release fee vs. buying a player on the open market is always going to produce different transfer fees.

It's a bit like saying Mbappe will cost nothing this summer and Lukaku cost 100mil more (but we know that Mbappe is available on a free).

Reply 1383

Lukaku starts the final imo.

Also Kalvin Phillips on the cheap if Leeds get relegated is an option.

Reply 1384

Thank **** for that

Reply 1385

top four essentially sorted anyway, I don't care if Arsenal come above us if we win the FA cup but would be slightly disappointing eitherway. should really have got 85ish points this year with the squad we had.

Reply 1386

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by Driving_Mad
If I had a choice between Lukaku and Haaland, I would refuse Lukaku like the leaving book I was given on the final day of school and grab Haaland.

Haaland and De Bruyne in the same team should be illegal. The hype and anticipation from the footballing world to see Haaland in the Premier League will be next-level, a bit similar to Ronaldo this season.


I think he should come off the bench. No Fabinho means Liverpool will be weaker in midfield, someone like Havertz as a false 9 dropping deep would make life more difficult for Henderson and the centre backs in my opinion.

You might as well sign Philips instead of Rice when Leeds get relegated because he’ll be a lot cheaper, but Man United will want to sign him too.

I’m hoping Liverpool sign Bellingham the season after next 🤞

If Azpilicueta starts in the final, you guys are ****ed. Maybe Tuchel will start James at right centre back, but more likely James at RWB with Chalobah at rcb to combat Diaz’s pace.



Kounde is twerking for you guys. You’d be silly not to buy him.

Agreed, well I've mentioned about Haaland many times, that signing is gonna be disgusting for City. think about how pep used Lewandowski and put him to another level. Interestingly, Man City are not in a transition phase, that core of yaya, kompany, aguero, D Silva is gone and they've been replaced. Feel like Tuchel just complained about lack of a striker and his targets were Lukaku and Haaland. Lukaku technically is good because we have good young players, but I'd rather have just used Abraham + Werner + Havertz for another season.

Yeah exactly a Phillips move makes a lot of sense in a financial sense, I do like Rice however.

I think Chalobah coming into the fold midweek means a fair bit, it's also funny that our most recent clean sheets have come when he's in the lineup. I don't like the idea of Azpi vs Diaz. I think Azpi at RWB isn't the worst in the world but with him and Alonso we have the problem of not being able to have dynamic wing backs. Something weird about Alonso is that he generally is good at retaining the ball, it's just that when under pressure he doesn't make progressive passes, he just goes infield or passes backwards.

Feels rather weird going for Kounde as he's more right sided but we need at least 2 defenders if we continue with 3atb so why not have him as one of them. Kovacic being potentially injured is a problem as he's probably been our best player this season but RLC has been very good when he's played as the no.6/8 so I don't think we'll lose that dynamism, plus Kanté will mysteriously be fit for the match despite not playing for weeks like he always does.

Reply 1387

Original post
by Zerforax
Well the release clause dictated the transfer fee.

And the lower transfer fee meant Haaland was able to negotiate a bigger wage packet from Man City.

Just was pointing out that set release fee vs. buying a player on the open market is always going to produce different transfer fees.

It's a bit like saying Mbappe will cost nothing this summer and Lukaku cost 100mil more (but we know that Mbappe is available on a free).

I didn't argue against the release clause shaping his transfer fee. I just provided arguments against the other points you mentioned with Halland's age and Lukaku 'proven' in the league.

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by bj27
Lukaku starts the final imo.

Also Kalvin Phillips on the cheap if Leeds get relegated is an option.

He's been injured for a long time and you can tell he's a lost the form he had since returning to the lineup so I'm not as keen as Utd seem to be. At the same time I wouldn't mind because of the lower cost and we know he's got the ability anyway.

Reply 1388

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by GrandMedic
He's been injured for a long time and you can tell he's a lost the form he had since returning to the lineup so I'm not as keen as Utd seem to be. At the same time I wouldn't mind because of the lower cost and we know he's got the ability anyway.

Agree but Leeds have been **** this year, partially because he's been injured for a long time.

I guess the other option is wait for Rice to run down his contract and buy him hoping Loftus Cheek steps up as a 6/8 figure for a bit. feel bad for Saul, I feel he definitely could have been used more this season, that december period where we had injuries he could have filled in. How can you be a top player for a side like Atlético and be unused so much for us.

Reply 1389

Original post
by GrandMedic
I didn't argue against the release clause shaping his transfer fee. I just provided arguments against the other points you mentioned with Halland's age and Lukaku 'proven' in the league.


Theoretically value is a bit irrelevant because different people will have views on what is important or not.

The open market creates a certain price on a player (including the clubs involved) so we can see why Lukaku cost £100mil for Chelsea to buy from reigning champions Inter Milan.

Would Haaland be worth more if he didn't have a release clause and/or if he played for a bigger / non-selling club like Dortmund? I agree with you, no doubt. Whether that would be 100mil, 120mil, 150mil or 200mil is moot because his circumstances are different with the release clause.

Reply 1390

Original post
by bj27
Agree but Leeds have been **** this year, partially because he's been injured for a long time.

I guess the other option is wait for Rice to run down his contract and buy him hoping Loftus Cheek steps up as a 6/8 figure for a bit. feel bad for Saul, I feel he definitely could have been used more this season, that december period where we had injuries he could have filled in. How can you be a top player for a side like Atlético and be unused so much for us.

I honestly don't dislike the move especially if Leeds get relegated. It'd be low risk- that is if his value is fairly low and not absurdly inflated just because he's English.

Saul has been a bit hard done from being played slightly out of position early on but you've got to make an impact to fight for your spot. I do wish he was given more minutes in this back end run of league games though. Top 4 is pretty much locked so if it was up to me I'd start him or even give him the full 90 vs leicester and watford and then make the final decision.
(edited 3 years ago)
I think that the FA Cup final goes into the extra time. See neither Chelsea nor Liverpool win in the regular match time.

Reply 1392

Pen merchants

Reply 1393

Original post
by GrandMedic
Pen merchants

Mason mount is class
Losing on penalties is the cruelest thing in football.

Original post
by GrandMedic
Pen merchants


Liverpool had the better ones.

Reply 1395

can't stand liverpool

Reply 1396

@bj27 what happened?

Reply 1397

Original post
by Zerforax
@bj27 what happened?

Stfu fam.

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭5😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I'm really ****ing salty.

Regardless Henderson clear of Gerrard because Chelsea slapped his team last time we played in FA cup final.

Reply 1398

I'm getting real tired of Azpi. And not just because of the pen.

Reply 1399

Original post
by Zerforax
Theoretically value is a bit irrelevant because different people will have views on what is important or not.

The open market creates a certain price on a player (including the clubs involved) so we can see why Lukaku cost £100mil for Chelsea to buy from reigning champions Inter Milan.

Would Haaland be worth more if he didn't have a release clause and/or if he played for a bigger / non-selling club like Dortmund? I agree with you, no doubt. Whether that would be 100mil, 120mil, 150mil or 200mil is moot because his circumstances are different with the release clause.

Well I'll just leave this here. Only reason we went for Lukaku was because we couldn't meet the price for Halland last season. I don't think there's any debate, theoretical or not, who is/should be valued higher.

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