Equal Opportunities Versus Equal Outcomes
Hi everybody
Equal Opportunities sounds good in theory but it fails to accept one critical problem. Not everybody is equal they may lack the same skills as someone else.
For example I have a autism related condition and because of that I fail in many things that non autistics succeed in.
Every academic institution I have ever been to has always been so fanatical about Equal Opportunities but when asked what happens if a person such as myself fails through the Equal Opportunity process can one repeat the time spent.
The response comes back We believe in Equal Opportunities here and thats not Equal Opportunities as we would have to offer that opportunity to everybody.
It comes as a surprise to many people when I tell them that I believe in the concept of Equal Outcomes especially when I tell them that I am primarily on a different part of the political spectrum than those who normally support Equal Outcomes.
Equal Opportunities sounds good in theory but it fails to accept one critical problem. Not everybody is equal they may lack the same skills as someone else.
For example I have a autism related condition and because of that I fail in many things that non autistics succeed in.
Every academic institution I have ever been to has always been so fanatical about Equal Opportunities but when asked what happens if a person such as myself fails through the Equal Opportunity process can one repeat the time spent.
The response comes back We believe in Equal Opportunities here and thats not Equal Opportunities as we would have to offer that opportunity to everybody.
It comes as a surprise to many people when I tell them that I believe in the concept of Equal Outcomes especially when I tell them that I am primarily on a different part of the political spectrum than those who normally support Equal Outcomes.
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Original post by DennisKavanagh
Hi everybody
Equal Opportunities sounds good in theory but it fails to accept one critical problem. Not everybody is equal they may lack the same skills as someone else.
For example I have a autism related condition and because of that I fail in many things that non autistics succeed in.
Every academic institution I have ever been to has always been so fanatical about Equal Opportunities but when asked what happens if a person such as myself fails through the Equal Opportunity process can one repeat the time spent.
The response comes back We believe in Equal Opportunities here and thats not Equal Opportunities as we would have to offer that opportunity to everybody.
It comes as a surprise to many people when I tell them that I believe in the concept of Equal Outcomes especially when I tell them that I am primarily on a different part of the political spectrum than those who normally support Equal Outcomes.
Equal Opportunities sounds good in theory but it fails to accept one critical problem. Not everybody is equal they may lack the same skills as someone else.
For example I have a autism related condition and because of that I fail in many things that non autistics succeed in.
Every academic institution I have ever been to has always been so fanatical about Equal Opportunities but when asked what happens if a person such as myself fails through the Equal Opportunity process can one repeat the time spent.
The response comes back We believe in Equal Opportunities here and thats not Equal Opportunities as we would have to offer that opportunity to everybody.
It comes as a surprise to many people when I tell them that I believe in the concept of Equal Outcomes especially when I tell them that I am primarily on a different part of the political spectrum than those who normally support Equal Outcomes.
Why would you want equal outcomes? That prejudges any situation in a nonsensical way.
What you want is a person to be allowed an equal opportunity to compete, they are allowed to have reasonable adjustments, but if a person cat reach the required standard then they cant reach it.
I feel like your post can be boiled down to: I don't like equal opportunities.. because it doesn't produce equal outcomes. Which isn't really a surprise, is it?
Equality of outcome is impossible at a societal level, its only possible on a micro-level in specific institutions or occasions, and even then its often not effective.
For example, if your talking about education. How would equality of outcome work in education? Everyone gets a pass. No matter their competancy, or different levels of ability.. they all pass, everything they do. How would that be remotely workable?
Equality of outcome is impossible at a societal level, its only possible on a micro-level in specific institutions or occasions, and even then its often not effective.
For example, if your talking about education. How would equality of outcome work in education? Everyone gets a pass. No matter their competancy, or different levels of ability.. they all pass, everything they do. How would that be remotely workable?
Original post by DennisKavanagh
Hi everybody
Equal Opportunities sounds good in theory but it fails to accept one critical problem. Not everybody is equal they may lack the same skills as someone else.
For example I have a autism related condition and because of that I fail in many things that non autistics succeed in.
Every academic institution I have ever been to has always been so fanatical about Equal Opportunities but when asked what happens if a person such as myself fails through the Equal Opportunity process can one repeat the time spent.
The response comes back We believe in Equal Opportunities here and thats not Equal Opportunities as we would have to offer that opportunity to everybody.
It comes as a surprise to many people when I tell them that I believe in the concept of Equal Outcomes especially when I tell them that I am primarily on a different part of the political spectrum than those who normally support Equal Outcomes.
Equal Opportunities sounds good in theory but it fails to accept one critical problem. Not everybody is equal they may lack the same skills as someone else.
For example I have a autism related condition and because of that I fail in many things that non autistics succeed in.
Every academic institution I have ever been to has always been so fanatical about Equal Opportunities but when asked what happens if a person such as myself fails through the Equal Opportunity process can one repeat the time spent.
The response comes back We believe in Equal Opportunities here and thats not Equal Opportunities as we would have to offer that opportunity to everybody.
It comes as a surprise to many people when I tell them that I believe in the concept of Equal Outcomes especially when I tell them that I am primarily on a different part of the political spectrum than those who normally support Equal Outcomes.
Equal outcomes makes no sense we arent bees we are not all born equal and/or equally usefull to others in society, so why should we have the same result. Why not just try and make it so that people on the bottom rungs dont have it so bad they destroy society and the people on top dont have so much power they can totally control it?
Id recommend you reevaluate why you actually believe in equal outcomes because I doubt it was a reason posistion, It sounds like you have just accepted this idea as "good" like muslim accepts the Quran as "good".
the equality act is reasonably clear on this .The duty is equal access to opportunity. Thus a person is supposed to be given equal opportunity to demonstrate ability. Thus you have reach the same standard as others but how that standard is assessed or reached can vary.The mistake many higher education institutions make is to mix up the two issues.Thus they often say x or y will give you advantage over other students this position will discriminatory if disability involved as getting a qualification is not a competition its an assessment of reaching a standard.
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