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Reply 1
work out number of moles of BaCl2 you have in 8.3g
work out number of moles of h20 you have in 1.7g

simplify ratio to 1:x, and thus you have your answer...
Moles of BaCl anhydrous = mass/moles = 8.53/208 = 0.041
1:1 ratio of Hydrous to Anhydrous
Therefore 0.041 Moles of Hydrous

Mr of Hydrous = mass/moles
Mr = 10/0.041 = 244

Mr of Hydrous = 244

Mr of xH2O = 244 - 208 = 36

Mr of one H2O molecule is 18

36/18 ... therefore x=2
Reply 3
mc_watson87
Moles of BaCl anhydrous = mass/moles = 8.53/208 = 0.041
1:1 ratio of Hydrous to Anhydrous
Therefore 0.041 Moles of Hydrous

Mr of Hydrous = mass/moles
Mr = 10/0.041 = 244

Mr of Hydrous = 244

Mr of xH2O = 244 - 208 = 36

Mr of one H2O molecule is 18

36/18 ... therefore x=2


Yay, I got that x=2, but I worked it out differently I think:

BaCl2
8.53/208
=0.041
0.041/0.041
= 1

H20
1.47/18
= 0.0817
0.0817/0.041
=2 (almost)


That works, right?
kieshaxxx
Yay, I got that x=2, but I worked it out differently I think:

BaCl2 H20
8.53/208.3 1.47/18
=0.041 =0.0817
0.041/0.041 0.0817/0.041
=1 =2 (well almost)

That works, right?

Yep :smile:

...twas Stevo's method
Reply 5
mc_watson87
Yep :smile:

...twas Stevo's method


Ah good good. I didn't realise that's what he meant :redface: :tongue:
Reply 6
*makes note to self, explain things better*

still, you got there in the end... :smile:
Reply 7
Ok, I'm stuck on this one now :frown: :

When 585g of the salt UO(C204).6H20 was left in a vacuum desciccator for 48hrs, the mass changed to 535mg. What formula would you predict for the resulting substance?

Anyone help, please?

Would all of the H20 be removed by the desiccator, just leaving UO(C204)?
kieshaxxx
Ok, I'm stuck on this one now :frown: :

When 585g of the salt UO(C204).6H20 was left in a vacuum desciccator for 48hrs, the mass changed to 535mg. What formula would you predict for the resulting substance?

Anyone help, please?

Would all of the H20 be removed by the desiccator, just leaving UO(C204)?

Find Moles of initial Salt... Moles = Mass/Mr = 585/450 = 1.3

1:1 Moles Ratio with substance after being in desiccator.

1.3 Moles of Salt after dessicating.

Mr= Final mass/moles= 535/1.3 = 412.

Mr of xH2O = 412 - 342 = 70

70/18 = 3.9

So me thinx x=4
...UO(C204).4H20
Reply 9
*thinks before writes*

work out how many moles of UO(C204).6H20 there were in 585g. i'd do it but i don't have my relative atomic masses with me.

however, if there was 2 moles of the salt, there would be 12 moles of water. work out how many moles of water were lost, and then divide the remaining number by your inital number of moles, so if there were two, divide it by 2. you would use this number as the number of h20's with the UO(C2O4)...

edit: yeah, he explained it better than me but it was the same thing...
Reply 10
Mr of UO(C204) = 238+16+24+64 = 342

Mol = 585/342 = 1.71mol

I'm sorry, I have no idea where to go from here.
Reply 11
you need to add the 6h2o's on as well for the mr of your salt...

238+16+24+64+12+96=450

number of moles = 585/450 = 1.3

*looks at question again*

are the masses meant to be 585g and then 535mg. thats one helluva drop...
Reply 12
El Stevo
you need to add the 6h2o's on as well for the mr of your salt...

238+16+24+64+12+96=450

number of moles = 585/450 = 1.3

*looks at question again*

are the masses meant to be 585g and then 535mg. thats one helluva drop...


Oops, typo. Both meant to be mg.
kieshaxxx
Mr of UO(C204) = 238+16+24+64 = 342

Mol = 585/342 = 1.71mol

I'm sorry, I have no idea where to go from here.

Mr of UO(C204).6H20 = 238+16+24+64+6*18 = 450
Moles = mass/mr = 585/450 =1.3
Therefore 1.3 Moles of UO(C204).xH20
Mr=mass/moles
Mr= 535/1.3 = 412

Mr of xH2O = 412-342=70
70/18= 3.9

so x = 4 i think
...UO(C204).4H20
Reply 14
okay...

(0.585)/450 = 0.0013 moles of salt beforehand...

dessicator removes at least some water... but 0.0013moles of pure salt, ie, anhydrous salt remains...

weight of salt = 342*0.0013
weight of salt = 0.4446

weight of water after dessication = weight after dessication - weight of 0.0013 moles of anhydrous salt = 0.535-0.4446 = 0.0904g

g=mr
0.0904=m18
m=0.005

initial ratio was 0.0013:0.0013 = 1:1
after ratio is 0.0013:0.005 = 1:4 ish

so 4 lots of water...
El Stevo
okay...

(0.585)/450 = 0.0013 moles of salt beforehand...

dessicator removes at least some water... but 0.0013moles of pure salt, ie, anhydrous salt remains...

weight of salt = 342*0.0013
weight of salt = 0.4446

weight of water after dessication = weight after dessication - weight of 0.0013 moles of anhydrous salt = 0.535-0.4446 = 0.0904g

g=mr
0.0904=m18
m=0.005

initial ratio was 0.0013:0.0013 = 1:1
after ratio is 0.0013:0.005 = 1:4 ish

so 4 lots of water...

Phew... we got the same! :biggrin: :cool:
Reply 16
tis always good when that happens :smile:
El Stevo
tis always good when that happens :smile:

Btw do you know... Wat an organic compound reacting with sodium hydrogencarbonate solution releasing CO2 shows?
Wat can u determine about the compound from that?
Reply 18
acid + carbonate gives *mumbles* + *mumbles* + co2

the organic compound is a carboxylic acid...
El Stevo
acid + carbonate gives *mumbles* + *mumbles* + co2

the organic compound is a carboxylic acid...

Wicked...cheers :smile: