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So do you actually think the Chinese government is welding the doors of every individual suspected of the Coronavirus?

Do you actually believe that is the case?
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British government has lost control.

Refusal of government to be held to account on BBC and now silencing of opposition.

Tricky days ahead.
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So do you actually think the Chinese government is welding the doors of every individual suspected of the Coronavirus?

Do you actually believe that is the case?
Even if it was only one person, surely that can't be a good look..and an intelligent person would assume.... If this happens in one scenario what happens all over.
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This is nuts... Christian cultists in South Korea have been busy deliberately spreading the virus. It's believed that almost all new cases in the country are either cultists themselves, or traceable to them. SK is up to 3,730 cases as of today.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/27...vatives-china/
Can't help wondering if this story is true, or if it isn't just a chance for the authorities in SK to have a pop at a cult they don't like. We are seeing governments taking advantage of the virus in other countries to suit their agendas, for example, banning large gatherings in countries where there has been a lot of protest (the British government want to do that, which is ominous) and smearing political opponents as in the US.
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(Original post by Waldorf67)
So do you actually think the Chinese government is welding the doors of every individual suspected of the Coronavirus?

Do you actually believe that is the case?
Not every citizen but it is not the fake news you claimed it to be.

Do you support the use of the modern plague house as is being done in China?
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Not every citizen but it is not the fake news you claimed it to be.

Do you support the use of the modern plague house as is being done in China?
No I still think it’s fake news to suggest a Chinese government’s tactic in controlling the virus is to weld doors closed.

That footage is disconcerting yes, but we’ve no idea what the background is. You’re just relying on some unknown individual uploading to the internet. I really don’t think it’s a top down effort as you are making it out to be.

I think you’re just pushing it to support your agenda against the Chinese.
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Even if it was only one person, surely that can't be a good look..and an intelligent person would assume.... If this happens in one scenario what happens all over.
You think an intelligent response to an uploading of a video onto the internet, is to assume that the video depicts widespread actions? In a city with a population of 11m?

You think that is an intelligent response? Interesting.
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Boss sent us an email today basically saying nobodys allowed shake hands with anyone in our workplace anymore (food service).
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Not every citizen but it is not the fake news you claimed it to be.

Do you support the use of the modern plague house as is being done in China?
Whatever their methods, it was clearly effective, and probably saved millions of lives in China (there would be 15 million deaths assuming 3.4% death rate and only 33% of the population ended up getting infected).
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You think an intelligent response to an uploading of a video onto the internet, is to assume that the video depicts widespread actions? In a city with a population of 11m?

You think that is an intelligent response? Interesting.
Especially when your discussing China, which is known for these kind's of tactics and supreme control. I'm assuming you also watched the next part of the documentary where the medical staff member is calling his higher ups (communist hierarchy) saying he's having a breakdown from the long hours and needs to go home...what is the response? Are you causing trouble?

Cmon don't be naive. You seriously aren't advocating that the chinese government isn't inherently dodgy.
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Especially when your discussing China, which is known for these kind's of tactics and supreme control. I'm assuming you also watched the next part of the documentary where the medical staff member is calling his higher ups (communist hierarchy) saying he's having a breakdown from the long hours and needs to go home...what is the response? Are you causing trouble?

Cmon don't be naive. You seriously aren't advocating that the chinese government isn't inherently dodgy.
Exhausted medical staff pushed to their limits from working long hours? Sounds like the current NHS on a normal day.

Not being naive, of course the Chinese government is concerning. However that doesn’t mean you should readily assume that everyone suspected of having the Coronavirus in China has had their doors welded shut.

Mostly because of the sheer impracticality of that.
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No I still think it’s fake news to suggest a Chinese government’s tactic in controlling the virus is to weld doors closed.

That footage is disconcerting yes, but we’ve no idea what the background is. You’re just relying on some unknown individual uploading to the internet. I really don’t think it’s a top down effort as you are making it out to be.

I think you’re just pushing it to support your agenda against the Chinese.
Are you waiting for the official word of a dictatorship that has no qualms about internment camps and organ harvesting to say they are welding people in?

What evidence do you accept about how China treats people?
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What evidence do you accept about how China treats people?
The Information Department.
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Exhausted medical staff pushed to their limits from working long hours? Sounds like the current NHS on a normal day.

Not being naive, of course the Chinese government is concerning. However that doesn’t mean you should readily assume that everyone suspected of having the Coronavirus in China has had their doors welded shut.

Mostly because of the sheer impracticality of that.
Does it marginalise...that it happened at all. That's my issue.
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Spain refuses to call off Las Fallas festival in epicentre of outbreak; packed streets; 2 million tourists expected over 2 weeks, without the authorities having issued any type of warnings, advice or protocol to prevent the expansion of the coronavirus.

https://www.elmundo.es/comunidad-val...f3b8b4666.html

China gets **** on for Wuhan organizing a 40,000 person banquet, but I expect TSR will rush to defend Spain's decision.

15 known cases in Valencia, compared to 280 when Wuhan held its banquet, but this is also a far bigger festival. Contract tracing is going to be absolutely impossible in these conditions.

They made this same mistake a week ago with the carnivals in Netherlands and Germany and now they are paying for it. I don't understand - everyone condemns China for making that mistake, yet everyone continues to make the same mistake a month later, one after the other.
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China gets **** on for Wuhan organizing a 40,000 person banquit, but I expect TSR will rush to defend Spain's decision
Nah, it sounds dumb

I guess that the Spanish government realised that the dead can't vote, but angry SME owners can
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Spain refuses to call off Las Fallas festival in epicentre of outbreak; packed streets; 2 million tourists expected over 2 weeks, without the authorities having issued any type of warnings, advice or protocol to prevent the expansion of the coronavirus.

https://www.elmundo.es/comunidad-val...f3b8b4666.html

China gets **** on for Wuhan organizing a 40,000 person banquet, but I expect TSR will rush to defend Spain's decision.

15 known cases in Valencia, compared to 280 when Wuhan held its banquet, but this is also a far bigger festival. Contract tracing is going to be absolutely impossible in these conditions.
Spain is being ignorant. Even if it’s only about money, more economic harm will be done by mass outbreak than cancelling the festival. The extreme measures taken by the Chinese government are effective in preventing spread, whether you morally disagree with them or not. It was wrong to try and conceal the outbreak and arrest the Doctor (though this was Wuhan specifically) and of course cramming people in hospitals isn’t ideal, but there’s simply not enough space, and that will happen in the U.K. if we don’t start taking things seriously and stop having people keep comparing it to the flu.
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Spain is being ignorant. Even if it’s only about money, more economic harm will be done by mass outbreak than cancelling the festival. The extreme measures taken by the Chinese government are effective in preventing spread, whether you morally disagree with them or not. It was wrong to try and conceal the outbreak and arrest the Doctor (though this was Wuhan specifically) and of course cramming people in hospitals isn’t ideal, but there’s simply not enough space, and that will happen in the U.K. if we don’t start taking things seriously and stop having people keep comparing it to the flu.
They should move the event to Portugal, no cases there!

. . . no wait
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Spain refuses to call off Las Fallas festival in epicentre of outbreak; packed streets; 2 million tourists expected over 2 weeks, without the authorities having issued any type of warnings, advice or protocol to prevent the expansion of the coronavirus.

https://www.elmundo.es/comunidad-val...f3b8b4666.html

China gets **** on for Wuhan organizing a 40,000 person banquet, but I expect TSR will rush to defend Spain's decision.

15 known cases in Valencia, compared to 280 when Wuhan held its banquet, but this is also a far bigger festival. Contract tracing is going to be absolutely impossible in these conditions.

They made this same mistake a week ago with the carnivals in Netherlands and Germany and now they are paying for it. I don't understand - everyone condemns China for making that mistake, yet everyone continues to make the same mistake a month later, one after the other.
I think and i don't know how often i can repeat this... But Chinese food standards...should be discussed.
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I think and i don't know how often i can repeat this... But Chinese food standards...should be discussed.
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