Is the Labour Party finished?

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They seem to care about the rainbow people and identity politics over the working class.
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No.
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Hey can someone inform me on what the Labour Party has done, I haven't been able to catch up on politics recently?
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They seem to care about the rainbow people and identity politics over the working class.
Yes their finished for at least a generation for the reasons you've highlighted amongst others.
There is a cracking article in the Speccy by Stephen Dailey but the opening line sums their main problem up in a nutshell.
" How do you save a party that doesn't want to be saved? "
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Sadly not however they will be out of power until 2029.

History teaches us (79-97 and 97-10) that if you thump a party hard enough and enough times they will yield their desire for purity over power (rise of Blair, rise of Cameron).

This defeat has pushed them to at least acknowledge they made failures, another one might do enough to push them over the edge in the following leadership election.
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(Original post by Mad_Dog_Graveson)
They seem to care about the rainbow people and identity politics over the working class.
I disagree with your above description of the Labour Party but yes they are finished. Kier Starmer is their only hope but even if he does get leadership of the party it could still take many general elections to remove the massive Tory majority. If Long Bailey becomes leader then it’s good bye labour.
You also have to remember traditional working class areas in the North East are now staunch Tory. I heard on the radio the other day that people in Blyth think dole payments should be cut by 50%. If that’s how people are thinking then they are hardly potential labour voters.
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Sadly not however they will be out of power until 2029.

History teaches us (79-97 and 97-10) that if you thump a party hard enough and enough times they will yield their desire for purity over power (rise of Blair, rise of Cameron).

This defeat has pushed them to at least acknowledge they made failures, another one might do enough to push them over the edge in the following leadership election.
Why would it be sad to see them survive?
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Why would it be sad to see them survive?
Some people are very hostile towards socialism/tu political activism and would love to see the Lib Dems replacing Labour as the opposition party.
Ultimately hoping that Labour would decline to the stage of being considered a small fringe political group like the WRP or SWP.
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Why would it be sad to see them survive?
Because while I don't mind economic differences the labour parties position on foreign and constitutional positions varies between offensive and downright dangerous and damaging. Pacifists and republicans who don't even place value on the union.

They are as things stand not worthy of my respect.
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Some people are very hostile towards socialism/tu political activism and would love to see the Lib Dems replacing Labour as the opposition party.
Ultimately hoping that Labour would decline to the stage of being considered a small fringe political group like the WRP or SWP.
Yes, the only way is right the yellow Tories vs the blue Tories, a rich mans dream
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The short answer is no, primarily because the Lib Dems are so diminished that there is no other party that can credibly replace Labour in opposition.

However, Scotland should serve as a warning for what could ultimately happen to Labour: the once dominant party is now not even in opposition any more at Holyrood, and in terms of Westminster seats are now fourth, behind the Lib Dems even. Of course, the situation up here is somewhat different, as we have a credible third party (the SNP), but given how rapidly politics can change, the situation south of the border could change soon too.
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They seem to care about the rainbow people and identity politics over the working class.
I seriously hope not, is the best answer I can give.

We need to get a grip, RLB and Starmer are not the people to get that grip. I'm not confident we will be ready next GE but I hope we are.
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I seriously hope not, is the best answer I can give.

We need to get a grip, RLB and Starmer are the the people to get that grip. I'm not confident we will be ready next GE but I hope we are.
Both of those candidates have essentially said that they will submit to the SNP and abandon party support for the union. Indeed RLB has suggested that Labour should ally with Sinn Fein in elections.

Getting a grip seems to be a stretch.
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Both of those candidates have essentially said that they will submit to the SNP and abandon party support for the union. Indeed RLB has suggested that Labour should ally with Sinn Fein in elections.

Getting a grip seems to be a stretch.
RLB has been absolutely awful, I actually am shocked by how poor she is on the microphone, as for her promotional video with Corbyn.....oh my actual god :facepalm:
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Both of those candidates have essentially said that they will submit to the SNP and abandon party support for the union. Indeed RLB has suggested that Labour should ally with Sinn Fein in elections.

Getting a grip seems to be a stretch.
I just reread what I wrote, quite a bad typo in it, I meant "RLB and Starmer are not the people to get that grip"

Apologies
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I disagree with your above description of the Labour Party but yes they are finished. Kier Starmer is their only hope but even if he does get leadership of the party it could still take many general elections to remove the massive Tory majority. If Long Bailey becomes leader then it’s good bye labour.
You also have to remember traditional working class areas in the North East are now staunch Tory. I heard on the radio the other day that people in Blyth think dole payments should be cut by 50%. If that’s how people are thinking then they are hardly potential labour voters.
We can win Blyth back if Labour goes back to being traditional working class Labour. If we lose the working class, what would be the point of the Labour Party.
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I seriously hope not, is the best answer I can give.

We need to get a grip, RLB and Starmer are not the people to get that grip. I'm not confident we will be ready next GE but I hope we are.
Yeah, you’re right, but I do hope Labour lose the next general election because they they’ve gone bat **** crazy over identity politics and virtue signalling. Hopefully, the electorate give them another kick up the back side they desperately need. It should then come back to its senses and represent the working class. Blue Labour is the only way.
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Yeah, you’re right, but I do hope Labour lose the next general election because they they’ve gone bat **** crazy over identity politics and virtue signalling. Hopefully, the electorate give them another kick up the back side they desperately need. It should then come back to its senses and represent the working class. Blue Labour is the only way.
Blue labour wouldn't be labour at all.
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Blue labour wouldn't be labour at all.
Blue Labour is traditional Labour. The Labour Party was formed to represent the working class. The Labour Party currently represents people who are on benefits, immigrants, feminists and the rainbow people. That is not Labour. Labour should represent manual workers not the metropolitan liberal elite. Do you think a factory worker would give a toss about the Rainbow community. I don’t think so. The Labour Party’s main focus should be on stuff that effect ordinary people and not focus on the identity politics claptrap.
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(Original post by Mad_Dog_Graveson)
Blue Labour is traditional Labour. The Labour Party was formed to represent the working class. The Labour Party currently represents people who are on benefits, immigrants, feminists and the rainbow people. That is not Labour. Labour should represent manual workers not the metropolitan liberal elite. Do you think a factory worker would give a toss about the Rainbow community. I don’t think so. The Labour Party’s main focus should be on stuff that effect ordinary people and not focus on the identity politics claptrap.
it hardly matters considering Britain doesnt have a manufacturing sector worth a damn.
As to the err 'rainbow people' i wasnt aware it was the working classes job to oppose them?
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