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Hey, so this is a weird one. And it is very long, but I need some advice.


I started my teacher training course back in September 2019, and I was enjoying it a lot. It was hard work but I had really good feedback from teachers I was sharing classes with.

My problem was with my mentor. She did not give me informative feedback, and usually it would take her 4 days for her to give me feedback on my professionally observed lessons.

So one Monday I had my observed lesson in which I sent the lesson plan to my mentor well into advance on friday so I could get feedback for it for the Monday.

I hadn't heard anything back Over the weekend so I went with my lesson plan.
Except my mentor was not happy with it at all. She said I shouldn't be giving 5 min breaks in a double lesson. I made the point that it was for me to set up mini experiments that she specifically wanted me to do to "show creativity through learning".

She then proceeded to have a go at me for another student teacher who was going to swap for my second placement as they wanted to see the class they may have been ended up teaching, saying "you have no right to invite them to see you, they are here to see me".

Now I felt really upset about all this because I didn't invite at all, and when I told the other student teacher they said my mentor was "well and truly supportive about watching me"

On top of that it was near my mum's anniversary of her passing away, so I ended up having a breakdown.

This is where it gets interesting.
I was then called into the professional mentor office, asking if I was OK etc, and said that if I needed a break I could withdraw. To this I kindly rejected and said that I would be better soon, it's just a hard time right now.

This was a Wednesday, so then fast forward onto next monday, my university mentor comes into the school and basically tell's me I have 2 options:

Withdraw from the course
Or continue working with the chance to lose qts and never teach again.

I was in shock and again I ended up crying a lot because I was confused. What was going on?
The uni mentor told me that the vice principal didn't want me to work at the school when I am sad because "safeguarding"
I was forced into withdrawing from the course because of the threat of me not being able to teach again was too much.

I ended up withdrawing, and I think I was essentially fired from working because I got a p45 from them in the mail.
(To which I got in contact with my union)

But now I want to go back and have been since january, but they now want to send me to a different school, the school have said they will not continue my contract, and the university will not cover the rest of the course they forced me to withdraw as I have to continue training after summer if I want the qts.

I would like to point out too that I was never a cause for concern on my teaching, but I think my mentor could not give two ****s about me because the feedback I got from her was abismal and about 2 sentences, an example would be "differentiate more for higher ability" or "change in activities"

I honestly just need some advice.
1) If I fail qts, as in they fail me for my teacher training, can I redo it?

2) Can I redo it with a different school and provider if I end up failing?

3) the school I was at have said they won't contract me after summer, and said they won't cover the univeristy course fees for restarting, what should I do?

I am doing a schools direct course with a teaching allience which is credited by a local university.
I am teaching secondary school science with specialism in physics.
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I honestly just need some advice.
1) If I fail qts, as in they fail me for my teacher training, can I redo it?

2) Can I redo it with a different school and provider if I end up failing?

3) the school I was at have said they won't contract me after summer, and said they won't cover the univeristy course fees for restarting, what should I do?
Hello CasualPhysicist

Essentially, yes, if you are not recommended for and awarded QTS once you've completed a teacher training course, you may not take the course again. If you withdraw, and reapply either to the providers you've worked with or elsewhere, this is permissible to do.

Were you on an employment school direct place? I can't see why you'd have a P45 otherwise.

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Hello CasualPhysicist

Essentially, yes, if you are not recommended for and awarded QTS once you've completed a teacher training course, you may not take the course again. If you withdraw, and reapply either to the providers you've worked with or elsewhere, this is permissible to do.

Were you on an employment school direct place? I can't see why you'd have a P45 otherwise.

Jane
That's kind of sad to hear, I don't think I will fail as I haven't been a cause for concern on my observations, but having to start at a new school because of this seems unfair.
I did ask why and all I got is "we think it would be best if you started afresh"

And yes, I was school direct salaried. I was very confused when I had to withdraw because the university mentor didn't know if I would still get paid, in fact she told me payment would stop if I withdrew?

The thing about the p45 though, was that the ending date was one that I had to put down for my withdrawal on the university page, in front of the mentor.

I did ask the union for advice and they were shocked to hear that I got a p45.

I then got an excuse from the school itself that it was an "error" and "I wasn't the only one this affected"

They told me this after 2 months worth of salary went into my account.
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That's kind of sad to hear, I don't think I will fail as I haven't been a cause for concern on my observations, but having to start at a new school because of this seems unfair.
I did ask why and all I got is "we think it would be best if you started afresh"

And yes, I was school direct salaried. I was very confused when I had to withdraw because the university mentor didn't know if I would still get paid, in fact she told me payment would stop if I withdrew?

The thing about the p45 though, was that the ending date was one that I had to put down for my withdrawal on the university page, in front of the mentor.

I did ask the union for advice and they were shocked to hear that I got a p45.

I then got an excuse from the school itself that it was an "error" and "I wasn't the only one this affected"

They told me this after 2 months worth of salary went into my account.
What has the University Mentor said about all this? Have they confirmed you withdrew from the course and said that you could apply elsewhere? Or have you failed the QTS?

You're probably best trying another provider and being honest with them and see what they say. As said by my colleague above, if you withdrew you should be able to reapply for your teacher training.

Cheers
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What has the University Mentor said about all this? Have they confirmed you withdrew from the course and said that you could apply elsewhere? Or have you failed the QTS?

You're probably best trying another provider and being honest with them and see what they say. As said by my colleague above, if you withdrew you should be able to reapply for your teacher training.

Cheers
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Thank you for the reply, and sorry for my late reply.

I did withdraw from the course, I have emails from the university confirming this,
However the university mentor has been very unhelpful because in her words "she doesn't understand the school direct route"

Anyways, around the beginning of January this year, I asked to be put back on because I wanted to continue as I didn't actually want to withdraw, but was forced to.

So this took about a month and a bit to get sorted, when the alliance lead emailed me after talking to the head of school direct at university about my options, and they basically have said that, they would send me to another school within that alliance, and I needed a privitised note from the gp saying I was fit for work, even though I was never signed off by a doctor or got sick pay.

But now because of the coronavirus pandemic the meeting I was supposed to have with the other school I would be going to got cancelled and I haven't heard anything from the alliance lead since, even though they said "I will keep you updated"
(It's been about a week and a bit now)

I also got a rude email from the school direct lead on the university side saying I need to "back off for a while" because "school is more important than my training"

Also the school that I was with, where the alliance lead works, told me they would not pay for me to continue training after summer. I asked the university about this and all they said was "contact student finance"

I don't know if I will be financially stable to carry on the course after summer if I don't have a salary...
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Thank you for the reply, and sorry for my late reply.

I did withdraw from the course, I have emails from the university confirming this,
However the university mentor has been very unhelpful because in her words "she doesn't understand the school direct route"

Anyways, around the beginning of January this year, I asked to be put back on because I wanted to continue as I didn't actually want to withdraw, but was forced to.

So this took about a month and a bit to get sorted, when the alliance lead emailed me after talking to the head of school direct at university about my options, and they basically have said that, they would send me to another school within that alliance, and I needed a privitised note from the gp saying I was fit for work, even though I was never signed off by a doctor or got sick pay.

But now because of the coronavirus pandemic the meeting I was supposed to have with the other school I would be going to got cancelled and I haven't heard anything from the alliance lead since, even though they said "I will keep you updated"
(It's been about a week and a bit now)

I also got a rude email from the school direct lead on the university side saying I need to "back off for a while" because "school is more important than my training"

Also the school that I was with, where the alliance lead works, told me they would not pay for me to continue training after summer. I asked the university about this and all they said was "contact student finance"

I don't know if I will be financially stable to carry on the course after summer if I don't have a salary...
Hello CasualPhysicist

What prompted you to choose a School Direct (Saleried) course, rather than a non-employment based course?

Jane
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Hello CasualPhysicist

What prompted you to choose a School Direct (Saleried) course, rather than a non-employment based course?

Jane
I originally was going through ucas but I put down maths, the interview didn't go very well at university and suggested I go into a school and have a look around, so I phoned up a few scools, one school was impressed with my degree and invited me for an interview for science and from there I they offered me a place to do teacher training.
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I originally was going through ucas but I put down maths, the interview didn't go very well at university and suggested I go into a school and have a look around, so I phoned up a few scools, one school was impressed with my degree and invited me for an interview for science and from there I they offered me a place to do teacher training.
Hello CasualPhysicist

Are you registered with Get into Teaching? I think it would be a good idea for you to have a Teacher Training adviser, who can speak with you directly as messaging on here will not allow us to help you best. Call 0800 389 2500 for an adviser asap.

I feel that you have ended up on a course that is not best suited to your needs, and that looking for an alternative provider would be better. What classification did you get in your degree? You are likely eligible to better funding options than a salaried course too.

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Hello CasualPhysicist

Are you registered with Get into Teaching? I think it would be a good idea for you to have a Teacher Training adviser, who can speak with you directly as messaging on here will not allow us to help you best. Call 0800 389 2500 for an adviser asap.

I feel that you have ended up on a course that is not best suited to your needs, and that looking for an alternative provider would be better. What classification did you get in your degree? You are likely eligible to better funding options than a salaried course too.

Jane
I do have a get into teaching account, but I am not sure how to use it,it was actually looking at Get into Teaching I got myself in thi's, via ucas.

I got at 2:1 in Astronomy, Space Science and Astrophysics.

I would love to have a chat with a training provider and to see if I could possibly defer onto a new training course, because I do have to say the situation I am in now means I am currently not doing any teaching, and I have no support from the university or the school itself.

So do you think I should call this number? Would I get to speak to someone I have messaged on here?

Thank you very much for your support
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