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Those with experience of primary and secondary teaching - which to choose?

Hello!
I would be so grateful to hear from anyone who has experience of both primary and secondary teaching, or anyone who is able to offer insight into why they chose one or the other. I have secured my place on a secondary Geography PGCE, after much work experience with children in this age bracket. To strengthen my PGCE application, I also undertook work experience in a primary school, and found that I really enjoyed it, and now feel very torn between whether to pursue primary or secondary teaching.

I feel I am able to relate better to secondary aged children - I find how they see the world fascinating and have a huge empathy for this age group. However, I really enjoyed working with primary school-aged children to. Ultimately, I hope to be wherever I would most enjoy. Please can anyone share their experiences of what they enjoy from teaching either primary or secondary-aged students, or what led them to choose one over the other? I would be so grateful to hear of any experiences, as I am so stuck!

Thank you very much in advance :smile:
Hello - I have experience working with both age ranges. I have more full-time experience in primary but have had part-time secondary experience in leadership and pastoral roles so hopefully this does not appear biased.

It's good that you are thinking about your choice critically and weighing up both options. They are definitely different jobs and use a very different approach to teaching and learning. In some ways, however, the jobs are much the same. I'll try my best to highlight - what I think - are the most important differences between the two.

1. Age is obviously the key difference. If you are taking secondary then expect to work with 17 and 18 year olds, whether you are looking to teach KS5 or not you will still be working in their school and you will be a subject expert, they can and likely will come to you for advice etc. Similarly, if you are teaching primary expect to work with children who are just embarking on their journey in education (those who can't write their name or wipe their bottom for that matter!) - joking aside, reception year is a pleasure to teach.

2. Subject. In secondary you will teach your subject to a range of ages - which has its difficulties, you will work on getting your pitch right to the different year groups and find your way around exam specifications and will regularly contribute to the evolving curriculum of your school. However, in primary you will be expected to teach the full National Curriculum so be prepared to get your musical instruments, paint brushes, French and your axle and wheel at the ready. This is what I love the most about primary school - it is a hub of diversity and on Monday I'm a scientist but the next day I might be an artist.

3. Work. The work is different in some ways. In primary, you will have your own class and those children stay with you everyday - all day. This means you need to ensure that you have things planned to do for the day. There is no changing of period 1 to period 2 where you have to fill one hour with Year 8. You must be more flexible. Also, you are responsible for all of those children in a pastoral way too. If you are experiencing safeguarding issues or mental health problems then it's likely to fall on your shoulders. In secondary, you teach many more children the same subject. However, your school will usually have a pastoral department or student support that picks up those who are having particular challenges. You may, in secondary, have to deal with more exams etc. so that work balances out. In secondary, the planning is different. You might plan a lesson for year 8, but you teach four year 8 classes so that's four in one. However, in primary that doesn't quite work the same as you only have one class. Likewise, older children are more unpredictable with how much you will get through in one hour so it may take more of your time planning extension tasks etc. A recent study from UCL involving 40,000 teachers found the working hours of primary teachers just slightly higher than secondary - you can read the full study here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49728831

4. Size. The size is the other important factor to consider. Most secondary schools are large in both the pupils on roll and their staff community. As a member of staff, you are in a very big pond indeed. Of course, this differs from school to school and it is important to find the school for you. Many primary schools - excluding London - are between 1 and 3 forms of entry and this means they're smaller in comparison to secondary. You will be in a much smaller pond of staff. This has its pros and cons and is really down to your personal preference.

Whether you decide on primary or secondary it is the best job in the world, enjoy it.
Hope that helps. Sorry for the long post, I am going crazy as schools are closed!
Original post by bwilliams
Hello - I have experience working with both age ranges. I have more full-time experience in primary but have had part-time secondary experience in leadership and pastoral roles so hopefully this does not appear biased.

It's good that you are thinking about your choice critically and weighing up both options. They are definitely different jobs and use a very different approach to teaching and learning. In some ways, however, the jobs are much the same. I'll try my best to highlight - what I think - are the most important differences between the two.

1. Age is obviously the key difference. If you are taking secondary then expect to work with 17 and 18 year olds, whether you are looking to teach KS5 or not you will still be working in their school and you will be a subject expert, they can and likely will come to you for advice etc. Similarly, if you are teaching primary expect to work with children who are just embarking on their journey in education (those who can't write their name or wipe their bottom for that matter!) - joking aside, reception year is a pleasure to teach.

2. Subject. In secondary you will teach your subject to a range of ages - which has its difficulties, you will work on getting your pitch right to the different year groups and find your way around exam specifications and will regularly contribute to the evolving curriculum of your school. However, in primary you will be expected to teach the full National Curriculum so be prepared to get your musical instruments, paint brushes, French and your axle and wheel at the ready. This is what I love the most about primary school - it is a hub of diversity and on Monday I'm a scientist but the next day I might be an artist.

3. Work. The work is different in some ways. In primary, you will have your own class and those children stay with you everyday - all day. This means you need to ensure that you have things planned to do for the day. There is no changing of period 1 to period 2 where you have to fill one hour with Year 8. You must be more flexible. Also, you are responsible for all of those children in a pastoral way too. If you are experiencing safeguarding issues or mental health problems then it's likely to fall on your shoulders. In secondary, you teach many more children the same subject. However, your school will usually have a pastoral department or student support that picks up those who are having particular challenges. You may, in secondary, have to deal with more exams etc. so that work balances out. In secondary, the planning is different. You might plan a lesson for year 8, but you teach four year 8 classes so that's four in one. However, in primary that doesn't quite work the same as you only have one class. Likewise, older children are more unpredictable with how much you will get through in one hour so it may take more of your time planning extension tasks etc. A recent study from UCL involving 40,000 teachers found the working hours of primary teachers just slightly higher than secondary - you can read the full study here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49728831

4. Size. The size is the other important factor to consider. Most secondary schools are large in both the pupils on roll and their staff community. As a member of staff, you are in a very big pond indeed. Of course, this differs from school to school and it is important to find the school for you. Many primary schools - excluding London - are between 1 and 3 forms of entry and this means they're smaller in comparison to secondary. You will be in a much smaller pond of staff. This has its pros and cons and is really down to your personal preference.

Whether you decide on primary or secondary it is the best job in the world, enjoy it.
Hope that helps. Sorry for the long post, I am going crazy as schools are closed!

bwilliams - thank you so, so much for kindly taking the time to reply to me, and for such a comprehensive answer, I really do appreciate it as I am pulling my hair out a little over this choice! Thank you also for your words of encouragement - I am so excited to be a teacher, and I know that both primary and secondary will be so rewarding.

I know that this question is very much down to personal preference, but, in your experience, have you found one more rewarding than the other? With the older secondary children, while their behaviour and attitude could be challenging, I enjoyed the level of interaction and conversation that I could engage in with them. However, I am also drawn to the idea of having one class of primary school children who I get to know over the course of a year, and who seem to want to actually be in class, more than the older ones. I know this may be slightly naive (as all ages have their behavioural challenges!) but I wonder if younger children may be more enjoyable to work with in this regard? Do you find the rewards greater with either age range in particular?

Thank you so much for your help again, and I really hope things are ok for you in our uncertain times! :smile:
Original post by ChocolateAngel
Hello!
I would be so grateful to hear from anyone who has experience of both primary and secondary teaching, or anyone who is able to offer insight into why they chose one or the other. I have secured my place on a secondary Geography PGCE, after much work experience with children in this age bracket. To strengthen my PGCE application, I also undertook work experience in a primary school, and found that I really enjoyed it, and now feel very torn between whether to pursue primary or secondary teaching.

I feel I am able to relate better to secondary aged children - I find how they see the world fascinating and have a huge empathy for this age group. However, I really enjoyed working with primary school-aged children to. Ultimately, I hope to be wherever I would most enjoy. Please can anyone share their experiences of what they enjoy from teaching either primary or secondary-aged students, or what led them to choose one over the other? I would be so grateful to hear of any experiences, as I am so stuck!

Thank you very much in advance :smile:


Hello @ChocolateAngel

Like many, I experienced both phases as part of my teacher training course. I found that I much preferred secondary, as I felt it offered many more opportunities (i.e I became a commissioned officer with the RAF as I was part of my schools CCF, I was a Head of House and a Department head) I enjoy the variety of the secondary time-table, and seeing lots of different children throughout the day. While I was able to be a subject specialist, I worked on a lot of cross-curricular SOW and so often used my catchphrase - you get two subjects for the price of one in my lesson! The facilities for my subject (DT) are much better in secondary (generally) and I was able to go from woodwork, to cooking to designing packaging with a computer.

While I did enjoy my experience in Primary schools, I found the children lacked an understanding of personal space!

Hope my perspective help, but ultimately only you are able to decide where you'd thrive best.

Jane
Original post by ChocolateAngel
bwilliams - thank you so, so much for kindly taking the time to reply to me, and for such a comprehensive answer, I really do appreciate it as I am pulling my hair out a little over this choice! Thank you also for your words of encouragement - I am so excited to be a teacher, and I know that both primary and secondary will be so rewarding.

I know that this question is very much down to personal preference, but, in your experience, have you found one more rewarding than the other? With the older secondary children, while their behaviour and attitude could be challenging, I enjoyed the level of interaction and conversation that I could engage in with them. However, I am also drawn to the idea of having one class of primary school children who I get to know over the course of a year, and who seem to want to actually be in class, more than the older ones. I know this may be slightly naive (as all ages have their behavioural challenges!) but I wonder if younger children may be more enjoyable to work with in this regard? Do you find the rewards greater with either age range in particular?

Thank you so much for your help again, and I really hope things are ok for you in our uncertain times! :smile:

They are rewarding for different reasons. Primary is rewarding because you have the same children everyday and the relationship you make with those children is amazing. I agree with you, the idea of having one class is what pulled me to primary too. Don't underestimate children - they will have great conversations with you in primary, in fact they are more honest. Behavioural challenges are different between schools not just between age phases. I find in secondary the pupils will come to the lesson and they know what's going to happen etc. you teach and then they leave. I find that with primary it is very much you are spending the day with them and its really in your hands how exciting you make that day. For example, I go through the day with mine at the beginning of each day and we talk about what we will be getting up to and the things we might find out and it gets them very excited for the day ahead. For me, those little things make primary more rewarding.

Edit for bias: Secondary is just as rewarding as you might teach the same children three or four times a week for seven years if they decided to go for A-Level Geography! Those relationships would be just as valuable and rewarding.

As you say, it is very much a personal preference in that regard.
(edited 4 years ago)
Hi!

I'm also torn between the two! I'm curious if the OP decided which one to choose in the end? :smile:

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