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As we all know, Christianity is one of the most popular and dependable religions (if not the most) known to mankind. In Christianity, one is exposed to several doctrines such as forgiveness of sin, repentance and even salvation. There is a popular saying that declares that every single human being is born into sin. Popular culture also proclaims that no one is perfect, NOT ONE.

Some actually doubt the existence of a Good God, but it’s easy to just observe that nature and everything around us in the universe has an immaculate design. There obviously has to be a supernaturally intelligent brain/mind behind all creation. This means we are assured that God is good and perfect, but what about humanity? What is the relationship between the supreme Good God and all mankind?

A Good God is pure and holy; He absolutely hates and doesn’t accept anything that is otherwise (bad, evil, wrong, ugly, immoral, wretched, incorrect, sinful, deficient, corrupt etc). He is perfect and incapable of making mistakes. Despite this, Christianity teaches that God can forgive sins and also that men can repent from their wrongdoing and be reconciled with Him. These ideas do not make sense and are thus obvious lies that have been propagated through history.

Another way to understand it is that God is a perfect being who exists in a flawless realm called Heaven. Humanity can never make it there because the requirement is to be ONLY GOOD and PERFECT. A good being can only do good and can never make any mistakes; humans clearly do not fit into this description. Saying that God forgives sins implies that God accepts sinful nature and this is obviously untrue. Likewise, claiming that a common man can repent from evil ways implies that something BAD can be converted to GOOD. This is clearly impossible because the two are opposite and vastly different.

Careful studying of the Christian Bible reveals this important secret. In Matthew 7: 16-20, it says: “16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”

Paying close attention to verse 19 and the previous paragraphs, it appears that the fate of mankind is to be “cast into the fire”. There is no forgiveness, no repentance and no salvation. Burning in hell fire forever is very scary and unpleasant, but it has to happen because of how men chose and choose to be. Today, people are still living on Earth; when will the eternal torment begin? The month APRIL could be: A Perfect Real Infinite Love. Seems like God’s celebration day.
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Ok l think you're actually takiing things wayy out of context. It is true that God is a perfect and flawless being BUT He created us in His own image and that in itself shows we are special. There are no other beings created in His image except us. He even gave up his only son up to die for us. Do you know how hard it would be if you had to sacrifice a family member to save other people? People always seem to take God's kindness for granted. And remember, it was us who betrayed God first not God betraying us. (Genesis chapter 2). Furthermore, if you read the Bible, there are many people who made it to heaven honestly. You don't have to be perfect because every human being is a sinner BUT you need to REPENT for every sin you make and get back to God. He is understanding and knows of the temptations in this world that is why He easily forgives us. Saying God forgives is not God accepting the bad or immorality but God having mercy on us his servants and giving us the opportunity to turn back to Him. The whole concept of forgiveness is God giving us a CHANCE and a CHOICE. It is true that something bad can be turned into something good. What you are basically implying is that once someone sins, then they are a bad person which is not true. Every human being has the capacity for doing good and doing bad. Again it all comes back down to CHOICE. As for getting to heaven, if you follow God's commandments, then you can definitely make it there. But many people half-heartedly follow them or don't even bother, so how can they complain when they are condemned to the eternal abyss. God is merciful but He also gets angry. God's commandments and instructions on the way of living basically oppose societal rules and morals of today which is why you think it is impossible to get to heaven. But again, l reiterate that it is not impossible. You just have to relinquish immorality and earthly sins and make sure to keep in line with God's will. The relationship between God and human kind is we are HIS CREATION just like we created computers. Finally, your reading of Matthew 19 couldn't be more wrong. Good fruit and Bad fruit is the way God identifies his true believers and the followers of immorality. That clearly means that as long as you are a follower of Christ, you won't be cast into the fire. To get into heaven is a difficult as a camel going through the eye of a needle but with God, anything is possible.
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I think a few of the ideas of Christianity contradict themselves. For example, if all mankind is made in gods image, how can there be an idea of sin? Because God created them in his own image and so the sin, he created. How can one ethically justify punishing someone for something outside their control.
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I think a few of the ideas of Christianity contradict themselves. For example, if all mankind is made in gods image, how can there be an idea of sin? Because God created them in his own image and so the sin, he created. How can one ethically justify punishing someone for something outside their control.
Because Adam and Eve are the ones that created sin. Humans introduced sin into the whole thing. God initially made everything perfect.
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Because Adam and Eve are the ones that created sin. Humans introduced sin into the whole thing. God initially made everything perfect.
So then God didn't create everything? Somethinfs are beyond his control? I thought he was all powerful and all controlling.
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So then God didn't create everything? Somethinfs are beyond his control? I thought he was all powerful and all controlling.
It is not God's fault that Eve got tempted by the devil was it? Besides, yes he never created sin. He is all powerful and all controlling but he also gave us a choice. Whether to eat of the fruit of Good and Evil was all OUR CHOICE. God gave us a choice because he wants us to be truly obedient not forced to be obedient. It is not beyond his control, He could have deprived Adam and Eve of their will. But HE didn't because He wanted us to make our own choices. It is always laugable when human beings want to blame God for their own misdeeds.
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As we all know, Christianity is one of the most popular and dependable religions (if not the most) known to mankind. In Christianity, one is exposed to several doctrines such as forgiveness of sin, repentance and even salvation. There is a popular saying that declares that every single human being is born into sin. Popular culture also proclaims that no one is perfect, NOT ONE.

Some actually doubt the existence of a Good God, but it’s easy to just observe that nature and everything around us in the universe has an immaculate design. There obviously has to be a supernaturally intelligent brain/mind behind all creation. This means we are assured that God is good and perfect, but what about humanity? What is the relationship between the supreme Good God and all mankind?

A Good God is pure and holy; He absolutely hates and doesn’t accept anything that is otherwise (bad, evil, wrong, ugly, immoral, wretched, incorrect, sinful, deficient, corrupt etc). He is perfect and incapable of making mistakes. Despite this, Christianity teaches that God can forgive sins and also that men can repent from their wrongdoing and be reconciled with Him. These ideas do not make sense and are thus obvious lies that have been propagated through history.

Another way to understand it is that God is a perfect being who exists in a flawless realm called Heaven. Humanity can never make it there because the requirement is to be ONLY GOOD and PERFECT. A good being can only do good and can never make any mistakes; humans clearly do not fit into this description. Saying that God forgives sins implies that God accepts sinful nature and this is obviously untrue. Likewise, claiming that a common man can repent from evil ways implies that something BAD can be converted to GOOD. This is clearly impossible because the two are opposite and vastly different.

Careful studying of the Christian Bible reveals this important secret. In Matthew 7: 16-20, it says: “16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”

Paying close attention to verse 19 and the previous paragraphs, it appears that the fate of mankind is to be “cast into the fire”. There is no forgiveness, no repentance and no salvation. Burning in hell fire forever is very scary and unpleasant, but it has to happen because of how men chose and choose to be. Today, people are still living on Earth; when will the eternal torment begin? The month APRIL could be: A Perfect Real Infinite Love. Seems like God’s celebration day.
God is not displayed as being perfect with in Christianity.
Off the top of my head the story of Noahs Ark (in the old testament) is an example of this. Basically God floods the world as he is angry with all the sin in it, he saves only Noah and his family and 2 of each of the earth's animals.
As a promiss to the earth that this will never happen again he creates the rainbow.
Its even more interesting that as jesus died, he famously cried, 'my Lord why have you abandoned me'
Does this show that due to the imperfection of being human, Jesus doubted the whole of God. Or rather, doubted himself? Could Jesus trust himself?
Do you follow Islam? The attributes of a that Christians assign to God are quite different to the attributes that Islam assigns to God/ Allah.
In addition through the ages, the Bible, the Christian Bible has been changed, to fit with political and idiological agendas.
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It is not God's fault that Eve got tempted by the devil was it? Besides, yes he never created sin. He is all powerful and all controlling but he also gave us a choice. Whether to eat of the fruit of Good and Evil was all OUR CHOICE. God gave us a choice because he wants us to be truly obedient not forced to be obedient. It is not beyond his control, He could have deprived Adam and Eve of their will. But HE didn't because He wanted us to make our own choices. It is always laugable when human beings want to blame God for their own misdeeds.
So you say he is all controlling but then say there are things beyond his control, such as sin. A prime example of a contradiction.
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So you say he is all controlling but then say there are things beyond his control, such as sin. A prime example of a contradiction.
Oh my Lord come save me today. I already said that He gave us a choice to choose him or the devil. I never once said that sin is beyond His control because if He truly wanted to control us humans, He can do it. But He doesn't want to because He wants us to choose Him in every decision we make and abide to his rules of our own volition! Again, we are back to choice.
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So you say he is all controlling but then say there are things beyond his control, such as sin. A prime example of a contradiction.
Ashuming that God is largely just, the presence of Heaven and Hell suggests that as humans we must have free will.
Why would we anger God, if he controlled us?
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Ashuming that God is largely just, the presence of Heaven and Hell suggests that as humans we must have free will.
Why would we anger God, if he controlled us?
Exactly 💯
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Oh my Lord come save me today. I already said that He gave us a choice to choose him or the devil. I never once said that sin is beyond His control because if He truly wanted to control us humans, He can do it. But He doesn't want to because He wants us to choose Him in every decision we make and abide to his rules of our own volition! Again, we are back to choice.
And you are missing the point, if he doesn't control everything. He is not all controlling. And thus a contradiction. He is either all controlling or he gave humans the ability to choose. Which is also a contradiction with being made in his image.
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Ashuming that God is largely just, the presence of Heaven and Hell suggests that as humans we must have free will.
Why would we anger God, if he controlled us?
I don't believe in God so I don't believe we can anger him to begin with.
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And you are missing the point, if he doesn't control everything. He is not all controlling. And thus a contradiction. He is either all controlling or he gave humans the ability to choose. Which is also a contradiction with being made in his image.
And how is giving humans the ability to choose a contradiction with being made in his image?
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And how is giving humans the ability to choose a contradiction with being made in his image?
Skiped over the contradiction point i made but oh well.

If humans are made in his image, then all the decisions are made from his original image. And so there was never truly a choice to begin with.
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And you are missing the point, if he doesn't control everything. He is not all controlling. And thus a contradiction. He is either all controlling or he gave humans the ability to choose. Which is also a contradiction with being made in his image.
Ultimately though, God wants us to turn to him, this has to be with in our control. It couldn't possibly be genuine or real if God didn't alow us to choose it ourselves.
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Ultimately though, God wants us to turn to him, this has to be with in our control. It couldn't possibly be genuine or real if God didn't alow us to choose it ourselves.
Or maybe, God's not real, not in the way the Bible expresses anyway.
And you can't just say ultimately though, and act like that invalidates everything I posted
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As we all know, Christianity is one of the most popular and dependable religions (if not the most) known to mankind. In Christianity, one is exposed to several doctrines such as forgiveness of sin, repentance and even salvation. There is a popular saying that declares that every single human being is born into sin. Popular culture also proclaims that no one is perfect, NOT ONE.

Some actually doubt the existence of a Good God, but it’s easy to just observe that nature and everything around us in the universe has an immaculate design. There obviously has to be a supernaturally intelligent brain/mind behind all creation. This means we are assured that God is good and perfect, but what about humanity? What is the relationship between the supreme Good God and all mankind?

A Good God is pure and holy; He absolutely hates and doesn’t accept anything that is otherwise (bad, evil, wrong, ugly, immoral, wretched, incorrect, sinful, deficient, corrupt etc). He is perfect and incapable of making mistakes. Despite this, Christianity teaches that God can forgive sins and also that men can repent from their wrongdoing and be reconciled with Him. These ideas do not make sense and are thus obvious lies that have been propagated through history.

Another way to understand it is that God is a perfect being who exists in a flawless realm called Heaven. Humanity can never make it there because the requirement is to be ONLY GOOD and PERFECT. A good being can only do good and can never make any mistakes; humans clearly do not fit into this description. Saying that God forgives sins implies that God accepts sinful nature and this is obviously untrue. Likewise, claiming that a common man can repent from evil ways implies that something BAD can be converted to GOOD. This is clearly impossible because the two are opposite and vastly different.

Careful studying of the Christian Bible reveals this important secret. In Matthew 7: 16-20, it says: “16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”

Paying close attention to verse 19 and the previous paragraphs, it appears that the fate of mankind is to be “cast into the fire”. There is no forgiveness, no repentance and no salvation. Burning in hell fire forever is very scary and unpleasant, but it has to happen because of how men chose and choose to be. Today, people are still living on Earth; when will the eternal torment begin? The month APRIL could be: A Perfect Real Infinite Love. Seems like God’s celebration day.
The world is not perfect or flawless. Even the 'design'of humans is rigged with flaws cancer being a good example. Our own DNA betrays us with cancer anyway. Secondly do you support evolution? If you do you know for a fact we became who we are today due to random mutations over millennia. Thirdly god is not perfect, at least the word of god is not the bible is rigged with contradictions and silly rules (no cutting hair, not sitting where a menstruating woman has sat etc.). Finally why would an all loving god cast his children into eternal torment for the way they lived their lives you've contradicted yourself saying people who live bad lives need punishment after saying everyone is forgiven.
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Seems to attract a lot of nutjobs. Then again, pretty much all religions do because for every nutjob there are hundreds/thousands of people willing to do what they say.
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Reading through the responses, it’s like you all are ignoring what you know is the truth. Oh well, typical humans pretending.
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