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Cambridge Demystified - Education

by @ellabella_t
1. I wanted to study my subject because I believe education is the most important thing for a government to provide. Yet, it would seem that in recent years it has become wayward. The purpose of education and the role of the teacher has been lost in the obsession with exams and competition. Also, I desperately want the government to re-evaluate the role of public schools to social inequality in Britain. I think it is the most fascinating thing I've ever come across.
2. I chose Cambridge because I love their course - you can choose a track to specialise in an area of education e.g. policy or psychology. Also, I like the academic pursuit of knowledge and nowhere is more academic! Also, it is beautiful and the supervision system is great.
3. No, none of my teachers inspired me. But that wasn't because they are negligent or unsupportive. Rather, I had made the decision long before teachers talked about university. It's hard to put my finger on what/who inspired me because the decision was so gradual. My brother goes to Cambridge so I was slightly influenced by him.
4. I read 'Free To Learn', 'The Philosophy of Education', 'Clever Lands', 'Posh Boys: how English public schools ruin Britain' and 'The Teacher Gap'. In terms of journals etc., I read the Lego Foundation's research into play and took a few online courses in education on FutureLearn.
5. I attended the Cambridge masterclass on education. It was a few lectures on education related to education given by Cambridge lecturers. I would highly recommend this but education ones are fewer and far between so you have to look out. I didn't take part in any competitions e.g. for essays. This was partly because I didn't know about them but even if I did, I wouldn't necessarily say they are essential. Several people in my year did them and applied to Oxbridge thinking it would increase their chances but it didn't add much. Also, if it will take away from your A level grades or add to your stress - then don't.
6. I have some work experience in a few different schools but I wouldn't say it greatly added to my chance of getting to Cambridge other than that it made me think about issues in education. Once again, experience is great but if it will add to stress or take away from your grades, it isn't worth it. If you do it, make it relevant. I would so that Cambridge care less about quantity of experience. Are you passionate and will you fit in, in terms of academics is what they concern themselves with.
7. I didn't do an EPQ because it would have been too much and my school only has 10 places for it. I sort of had a specialist subject if reading about educational policy counts.
8. In my personal statement, I talked about how children suddenly stop playing in YR1 as it becomes 'frivolous'. I questioned why this happened and the role of play in effective learning. Really, I made it clear how passionate I am. I also talked about how I came to be interested in education. There was a small bit at the end about my hobbies.
9. For the entrance test for education - it was really difficult because my year was the first so there was only 1 past paper and this one was inaccurate to what the actual test was like. The only practice I got was from similar subject texts. I wrote the essays untimed and then timed. I gave them to my sociology teacher to check for clarity and quality of argument. I also read the specification for it e.g. what they were looking for (this turned out to be a clear and consistent argument and opinions).
10. In choosing a college, I started by having my brother shortlist the ones he thought I should strike out as definite nos. Then, out of those I looked them up and decided on 3. Then, really it was random - I picked one that I liked the look of (Jesus). Then I was pooled to Robinson.
11. The interview process was actually quite nice. I got to discuss my favourite topic with people who are similarly passionate. I was nervous but stuck to the advice I was given - to think out loud, to convey passion and to DO WIDER READING. I had two interviews and they encouraged me to give my opinions on things and engage in a lively discussion.
12. As I said, think out loud and be passionate. Don't worry about being perfect - they just want to see potential.
13. At Cambridge, interviews are one day. I did socialise during the day though. I had several hours between my two interviews and had a cup of tea and a slice of cake with some other applicants. We became friends and discussed our subjects.
14. After the interviews, I felt pretty good actually because I knew I had tried my best and conveyed all my passion. I was a bit shaky but definitely excited.
15. I was in school when I got my offer. Actually it is a bit of a weird story. I was rejected by Jesus college and they told me they entered me into the pool but I was rejected from that too. However, 10 minutes later I get an email from Robinson offering me a place. I called to confirm it wasn't a mistake and it wasn't! I reacted irritated when I thought I was rejected but when I found out I wasn't, I ran into offices and through the corridors. Some teachers wanted to know the outcome so I went to find them and they squealed and smiled.
16. I am most certainly looking forward to going to Cambridge - really super excited. I feel like I will really fit in but I am also very scared because I lack self-belief (I almost didn't even apply) and, like many, I have bad impostor syndrome about whether I will be able to 'handle' Cambridge, I feel like others are so much better than me. However, getting an offer has definitely helped a bit with this.
(edited 3 years ago)
Hi @ellabella_t

Thank you for your marvellous chapter and I will add a little information here.

Will give full details of books you have used here:

Free to Learn - Peter Gray
The Philosophy of Education - Nel Noddings
Clever lands: the Secrets behind the Success of the world's Education Superpowers - Lucy Crehan
Posh Boys - How English Public Schools Ruin Britain - Robert Verkaik
The Teacher Gap - Rebecca Allen and Sam Sims

The Lego Foundation

https://www.legofoundation.com/en/

Cambridge Masterclasses

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/events/masterclasses

Because of Covid-19 all masterclasses are cancelled, and yes, they are not essential. However, if any candidate is short on inspiration, they may go to a masterclass and think "oh that's interesting, I'll go to the library and find out something more about that." Cambridge loves that "one thing leads to another". The burst of inspiration can come from reading a book, or a magazine, or watching a TV documentary.
Could I please put my journalist hat on, and ask you a few questions (also as someone who had brief work experience in teaching)

Yes, education is vital to young people and the future economy of Britain, as well. In what way do you think it has become "wayward" of late?

Intriguingly, it is because I was angry at the inequality of education (as far as Oxbridge entrance is concerned) that I wrote my book, Oxford Demystified in the first place. I went to both state and private school, and the difference was heartbreaking.

I was also tired of seeing Oxford places being handed, or so it seemed, from father to son, from sister to brother. What I wanted to do with these chapters is to show state school pupils that yes, it is possible to get into Oxbridge from state school, and to thrive there as well. It was my dream to give state school pupils the same information about Oxbridge as, say someone from Eton. And then for them to get in!

You may be pleased to hear about a school called Brampton Manor Academy. It is situated in a deprived area of London. However one year they got someone into Oxbridge. Then, having learnt some lessons about applying, this became 41 offers the following years,and 51 the year after that!

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/19/this-is-not-a-fluke-how-one-state-school-got-41-oxbridge-offers

It's this can do attitude, and a belief in their students, that have made the difference.

The Sutton Trust has a lot to say about inequality in education:

https://www.suttontrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/AccesstoAdvantage-2018.pdf

The main truth about getting in (for any subject) is not about scoring 100% for every A level, but to read round your subject when you get home, which you so rightly emphasised. This is the point we have to drive home again and again in each chapter of Cambridge Demystified. I can virtually guarantee that nobody writing a chapter will have got there through no extra reading whatsoever. You have also correctly stated that you don't need to do an EPQ, as long as you look into a subject you feel passionately about.

Is your course a PGCE? Have you already finished a degree in your subject, and now this is the educational part?

You talk about policy making. Does this mean that with this particular course you could also go into policy making? If so, how would you change the educational system if you could?

I can see you are a person of high ideals, who will make a real difference to education, both at your chosen school, and maybe even beyond.
This was a really interesting read! I wish you the best of luck at Cambridge and it’s wonderful to hear that you’re so passionate about your subject :smile: education is definitely a fascinating and hotly debated controversial topic!
Reply 4
I feel like I should get the content of my course/type of degree clear first. It is an undergraduate degree, not a PGCE. Nor is it a teaching degree. Rather, the degree is a purely academic study of the theory of education - philosophy, sociology, history, psychology of education. It can lead to teaching but many go into policy or NGO work.
Original post by ellabella_t

1. I wanted to study my subject because I believe education is the most important thing for a government to provide. Yet, it would seem that in recent years it has become wayward. The purpose of education and the role of the teacher has been lost in the obsession with exams and competition. Also, I desperately want the government to re-evaluate the role of public schools to social inequality in Britain. I think it is the most fascinating thing I've ever come across.
2. I chose Cambridge because I love their course - you can choose a track to specialise in an area of education e.g. policy or psychology. Also, I like the academic pursuit of knowledge and nowhere is more academic! Also, it is beautiful and the supervision system is great.
3. No, none of my teachers inspired me. But that wasn't because they are negligent or unsupportive. Rather, I had made the decision long before teachers talked about university. It's hard to put my finger on what/who inspired me because the decision was so gradual. My brother goes to Cambridge so I was slightly influenced by him.
4. I read 'Free To Learn', 'The Philosophy of Education', 'Clever Lands', 'Posh Boys: how English public schools ruin Britain' and 'The Teacher Gap'. In terms of journals etc., I read the Lego Foundation's research into play and took a few online courses in education on FutureLearn.
5. I attended the Cambridge masterclass on education. It was a few lectures on education related to education given by Cambridge lecturers. I would highly recommend this but education ones are fewer and far between so you have to look out. I didn't take part in any competitions e.g. for essays. This was partly because I didn't know about them but even if I did, I wouldn't necessarily say they are essential. Several people in my year did them and applied to Oxbridge thinking it would increase their chances but it didn't add much. Also, if it will take away from your A level grades or add to your stress - then don't.
6. I have some work experience in a few different schools but I wouldn't say it greatly added to my chance of getting to Cambridge other than that it made me think about issues in education. Once again, experience is great but if it will add to stress or take away from your grades, it isn't worth it. If you do it, make it relevant. I would so that Cambridge care less about quantity of experience. Are you passionate and will you fit in, in terms of academics is what they concern themselves with.
7. I didn't do an EPQ because it would have been too much and my school only has 10 places for it. I sort of had a specialist subject if reading about educational policy counts.
8. In my personal statement, I talked about how children suddenly stop playing in YR1 as it becomes 'frivolous'. I questioned why this happened and the role of play in effective learning. Really, I made it clear how passionate I am. I also talked about how I came to be interested in education. There was a small bit at the end about my hobbies.
9. For the entrance test for education - it was really difficult because my year was the first so there was only 1 past paper and this one was inaccurate to what the actual test was like. The only practice I got was from similar subject texts. I wrote the essays untimed and then timed. I gave them to my sociology teacher to check for clarity and quality of argument. I also read the specification for it e.g. what they were looking for (this turned out to be a clear and consistent argument and opinions).
10. In choosing a college, I started by having my brother shortlist the ones he thought I should strike out as definite nos. Then, out of those I looked them up and decided on 3. Then, really it was random - I picked one that I liked the look of (Jesus). Then I was pooled to Robinson.
11. The interview process was actually quite nice. I got to discuss my favourite topic with people who are similarly passionate. I was nervous but stuck to the advice I was given - to think out loud, to convey passion and to DO WIDER READING. I had two interviews and they encouraged me to give my opinions on things and engage in a lively discussion.
12. As I said, think out loud and be passionate. Don't worry about being perfect - they just want to see potential.
13. At Cambridge, interviews are one day. I did socialise during the day though. I had several hours between my two interviews and had a cup of tea and a slice of cake with some other applicants. We became friends and discussed our subjects.
14. After the interviews, I felt pretty good actually because I knew I had tried my best and conveyed all my passion. I was a bit shaky but definitely excited.
15. I was in school when I got my offer. Actually it is a bit of a weird story. I was rejected by Jesus college and they told me they entered me into the pool but I was rejected from that too. However, 10 minutes later I get an email from Robinson offering me a place. I called to confirm it wasn't a mistake and it wasn't! I reacted irritated when I thought I was rejected but when I found out I wasn't, I ran into offices and through the corridors. Some teachers wanted to know the outcome so I went to find them and they squealed and smiled.
16. I am most certainly looking forward to going to Cambridge - really super excited. I feel like I will really fit in but I am also very scared because I lack self-belief (I almost didn't even apply) and, like many, I have bad impostor syndrome about whether I will be able to 'handle' Cambridge, I feel like others are so much better than me. However, getting an offer has definitely helped a bit with this.

Good Luck at Cambridge and thank you for writing this for the benefit of other students :smile:
Reply 6

@Oxford Mum
I'm concerned that this video sends mixed messages about education BA at Cambridge. The video is about PGCE which Cambridge does offer but my degree is an undergraduate, academic and theoretical, degree into education.
Here's a link for undergraduate education at Cambridge - https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/courses/education
Here's a video link for education - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHjEs4VbG50
Original post by ellabella_t
@Oxford Mum
I'm concerned that this video sends mixed messages about education BA at Cambridge. The video is about PGCE which Cambridge does offer but my degree is an undergraduate, academic and theoretical, degree into education.
Here's a link for undergraduate education at Cambridge - https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/courses/education
Here's a video link for education - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHjEs4VbG50

I have now removed both the video and my post. This is why these threads are so useful, so that we can clear up exactly what your course entails.
@ellabella_t
Reply 8
To answer your journalistic questions @Oxford Mum

I believe it has become wayward because it has moved away from serving pupils to serving the economy and systems of power. Also, education is a form of social justice, but the lack of necessary funding into schools prevents this (exacerbated by the very existence of public schools). Furthermore, there is far too great a focus on testing, ranking and competition rather on the education and development of the whole person.

I definitely agree with you about the heart - breaking difference between the state and private education systems. I believe that education is a human right (and not just a vague ‘idea’ of education but incredible, well thought out and considered education appropriate to the needs of a child). Therefore, in my mind, the existence of public education seems to view education as a privilege that some ‘deserve’ by virtue of wealth or luck or talent.
I hadn’t heard about Brampton Manor thank you for bringing this to my attention. I agree with you on the importance of belief. In talking to a number of my friends who could have got into Cambridge, there was the persistent attitude that it’s not for ‘people like us’ which is not helped by the fact that most schools never make it seem like an option. People often complain that Oxbridge aren’t diverse enough but you can’t accept people if they don’t apply in the first place. However, in seeing how many offers they received, I was concerned at how they measure success. It’s great to encourage ambition but it is equally important to make it clear that it’s absolutely fine to not want to go to the ‘BEST’ university or just do an apprenticeship.

If only schools took advantage of all the resources which Oxbridge offers to support applicants schools need to take more responsibility.

No, my course is not a PGCE it is an undergraduate degree into the theory of education.

Yes, with this course I can go into policy making (or teaching or therapy etc.). If I could change the education system I would replace high stakes exams with lower stakes ones culminating in teacher judgement, I would outlaw fee paying schools to try to redress social inequality, I would tax billionaires at a higher rate in order to better fund the changing needs of schools such as SEN and mental health support. I would stop the focus on rote learning and expectations, rather focusing on each child. Re instate SureStart programs in order to support low income families.
Reply 9
Original post by Oxford Mum
I have now removed both the video and my post. This is why these threads are so useful, so that we can clear up exactly what your course entails.
@ellabella_t


Thank you very much
Original post by ellabella_t
To answer your journalistic questions @Oxford Mum

I believe it has become wayward because it has moved away from serving pupils to serving the economy and systems of power. Also, education is a form of social justice, but the lack of necessary funding into schools prevents this (exacerbated by the very existence of public schools). Furthermore, there is far too great a focus on testing, ranking and competition rather on the education and development of the whole person.

I definitely agree with you about the heart - breaking difference between the state and private education systems. I believe that education is a human right (and not just a vague ‘idea’ of education but incredible, well thought out and considered education appropriate to the needs of a child). Therefore, in my mind, the existence of public education seems to view education as a privilege that some ‘deserve’ by virtue of wealth or luck or talent.
I hadn’t heard about Brampton Manor thank you for bringing this to my attention. I agree with you on the importance of belief. In talking to a number of my friends who could have got into Cambridge, there was the persistent attitude that it’s not for ‘people like us’ which is not helped by the fact that most schools never make it seem like an option. People often complain that Oxbridge aren’t diverse enough but you can’t accept people if they don’t apply in the first place. However, in seeing how many offers they received, I was concerned at how they measure success. It’s great to encourage ambition but it is equally important to make it clear that it’s absolutely fine to not want to go to the ‘BEST’ university or just do an apprenticeship.

If only schools took advantage of all the resources which Oxbridge offers to support applicants schools need to take more responsibility.

No, my course is not a PGCE it is an undergraduate degree into the theory of education.

Yes, with this course I can go into policy making (or teaching or therapy etc.). If I could change the education system I would replace high stakes exams with lower stakes ones culminating in teacher judgement, I would outlaw fee paying schools to try to redress social inequality, I would tax billionaires at a higher rate in order to better fund the changing needs of schools such as SEN and mental health support. I would stop the focus on rote learning and expectations, rather focusing on each child. Re instate SureStart programs in order to support low income families.

And a great education SHOULD be for everyone. It's a great pity that prospective candidates and their families visit Oxbridge, feel initimated and say "this is not for us". Many of the Oxbridge chapter writers have had this feeling, and thankfully have ignored it. But what about people who don't ignore it,and turn their backs on a great opportunity? That's the tragedy.

Brampton Manor Academy has many pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds, who do not fit the (mythical) image of the typical Cambridge student. But then they look at pupils who have got to Cambridge successfully before them, and have used that as an inspiration.

Many said that it was impossible to run a four minute mile. After Roger Bannister did it, three others did in quick succession. If you know something is possible, it makes it so much easier.

I personally would love to see some kind of Oxbridge Tsar at the heart of government, to help more state school students get in, but that ain't gonna happen unfortunately.

We, on the other hand, can, just by writing this book together.

link to SureStart

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/articles/sure-start
hi, i'm also interested in education so i hope you don't mind me asking a couple questions...

which track are you applying for?

what was the interview like? what questions were asked, etc?

does the fact that education is a niche subject / has a small intake mean anything to you? do you think it'll have an impact on your social life or anything like that, since there might be only one or two or even no students in your college doing the subject too?

how do you feel about travelling all the way to homerton college for your lessons :lol:

you said entrance tests - i can't find any information on this. some colleges said there might be a pre-interview assessment, others say there won't. some colleges ask for written work, some don't. it's confusingly inconsistent lol

you also mentioned that you went to the masterclass on education. really bizarre question i know but if you saw other education students or applicants, was there any diversity or was it (to be blunt) majority white females lol? asking this because i'm an asian guy who is a tiny bit anxious about the glaring gender gap in the subject (something like >80%?)

thanks in advance!
Hi there - I'm so pleased that you're interested.

1. I applied for and have an offer for the psychology and learning track
2. Unfortunately, I signed a waiver that prohibits me from revealing what questions I was asked but I can tell you that they were looking for critical thinking, expression of thought and passion for the subject. If you're still nervous, I took an Oxford interview prep course (I know it's not the same but it prepared me) and you're welcome to message me on here and I can give you tips.
3. I actually quite like that education is quite niche - it makes me feel special. What's more, it means you can know your coursemates better and discuss educational stuff. I can't imagine it should have an impact on my social life because I'll have friends in other subjects from my college despite me being the only education offer holder in my year at my college.
4. I don't mind travelling to Homerton - it's a nice walk, cycle or bus ride. Also, I won't be going back and forth all throughout the day. If I have a lecture, I'll go there in the morning to study and just stay.
5. In terms of entrance tests, I looked on the website and I can't find the tests that I took so maybe they did it for one year and then realised it didn't work but they might. I was meant to have an assessment at interview but it was cancelled so it definitely is inconsistent. If you do an assessment a few months before interview like me, they would be looking for the ability to develop an argument and opinions on an educational topic.
6. When I went to the masterclass, it was maybe 6 of us but of that maybe half were white female and the others were made up of 1 black woman and 2 South Asian girls if I recall correctly. I can give you a bit more info since I'm in a group chat with other education offer holders. Most are white females but we have 3 guys so far and some black and Asian girls. However, I don't think that a lack of diversity should put you off because you'll have lots of other friends who aren't on your course. What binds us, regardless of race, ethnicity and gender is our passion for education so really don't worry.

Feel free to contact me - there are no stupid questions or silly worries.
(edited 3 years ago)
Excellent post, op! The whole point of Cambridge demystified is for offer holders to help the applicants. You have proved to be worth your weight in gold in this regard.
Original post by ellabella_t
6. When I went to the masterclass, it was maybe 6 of us but of that maybe half were white female and the others were made up of 1 black woman and 2 South Asian girls if I recall correctly. I can give you a bit more info since I'm in a group chat with other education offer holders. Most are white females but we have 3 guys so far and some black and Asian girls. However, I don't think that a lack of diversity should put you off because you'll have lots of other friends who aren't on your course. What binds us, regardless of race, ethnicity and gender is our passion for education so really don't worry.

Feel free to contact me - there are no stupid questions or silly worries.

Thank you so much for this, this is really reassuring :smile:

If I can think of any other questions then I'll be sure to ask!

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