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Hello folks!

I am on my way to start an MSc in Real Estate to be a RICS surveyor.

First and foremost, I know about the pathways and specialisations, I am reading ahead on the academic side, and I know what sort of job I will be getting in to as a graduate because I have done a little internship.

Although I know a building/commercial surveyor works on individual buildings, I really want to be involved in large development schemes and designs on buildings too.

...but what I want to know is if there are any chartered professionals here and if so what specialisations did you take and where are you now career wise?
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Hello,

I am in the same position as you, so I cannot offer any advise - sorry. But, I was wondering what has led you to go down the route of the Real Estate MSc as opposed to the Building Surveying MSc? I am currently trying to decide between the two
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Hello,

I am in the same position as you, so I cannot offer any advise - sorry. But, I was wondering what has led you to go down the route of the Real Estate MSc as opposed to the Building Surveying MSc? I am currently trying to decide between the two
Personally I would choose the Building Surveying. I completed this almost 2 years ago and was already employed before I finished the degree as it's an area where they appreciate mature students (as in Msc level and career change) as well as younger graduates. My classmates were the same. I disagree about working on individual buildings, I have worked on individual buildings yes, but I've also worked on larger developments and on portfolio's of developments. As building surveyors we have the knowledge to also operate in a project management capacity which vastly increases the type of projects we can get involved with. As we deal with existing building stock as well, not just new buildings it also gives a huge amount of scope and we aren't reliant on people building to be able to do our job.
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Personally I would choose the Building Surveying. I completed this almost 2 years ago and was already employed before I finished the degree as it's an area where they appreciate mature students (as in Msc level and career change) as well as younger graduates. My classmates were the same. I disagree about working on individual buildings, I have worked on individual buildings yes, but I've also worked on larger developments and on portfolio's of developments. As building surveyors we have the knowledge to also operate in a project management capacity which vastly increases the type of projects we can get involved with. As we deal with existing building stock as well, not just new buildings it also gives a huge amount of scope and we aren't reliant on people building to be able to do our job.
Thanks for you reply Jeffrey, it was really helpful. With regards to the MSc course itself, how intensive did you find it? I will be coming in from a BA background with no prior experience in this sector. I am undertaking some work experience this summer alongside reading to prepare for the course, but do you think it is going to be too hard for someone without a background? I am worried about paying £9,750 for a course I am out of my depth in.
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Hello folks!

I am on my way to start an MSc in Real Estate to be a RICS surveyor.

First and foremost, I know about the pathways and specialisations, I am reading ahead on the academic side, and I know what sort of job I will be getting in to as a graduate because I have done a little internship.

Although I know a building/commercial surveyor works on individual buildings, I really want to be involved in large development schemes and designs on buildings too.

...but what I want to know is if there are any chartered professionals here and if so what specialisations did you take and where are you now career wise?
Hey,

I'm not chartered yet, but have started my APC - I'm in the last year of my MSc in Real Estate (University College of Estate Management) and working full-time. I studied International Relations for my undergrad degree at University of Nottingham.

I knew that I wanted to go into commercial surveying, and more specifically into the retail and leisure sector, due to my previous extensive experience in retail sales. So I currently work as an Assistant Estates Surveyor, looking after around 55 stores in the UK & US.

I did a few internships/work experience before I got this role and a very short stint in lease advisory.

Happy to answer any questions!
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Hey,

I'm not chartered yet, but have started my APC - I'm in the last year of my MSc in Real Estate (University College of Estate Management) and working full-time. I studied International Relations for my undergrad degree at University of Nottingham.

I knew that I wanted to go into commercial surveying, and more specifically into the retail and leisure sector, due to my previous extensive experience in retail sales. So I currently work as an Assistant Estates Surveyor, looking after around 55 stores in the UK & US.

I did a few internships/work experience before I got this role and a very short stint in lease advisory.

Happy to answer any questions!
Hi,
Wow really cool!

My questions are...

is it relatively easy to get employment as a MSc student? Many Universities who do the Real Estate MSc say that nearly 100% of students are in full time employment and some secure a job mid way through the degree. The Uni I will attend has a two week placement as a module, so will this help?

how much do you know about the planning and development RICS pathway and the type of careers it produces (since I am very interested in this)?

where do you see yourself in 10 years time as a chartered surveyor?

Finally, salary good?
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Hello,

I am in the same position as you, so I cannot offer any advise - sorry. But, I was wondering what has led you to go down the route of the Real Estate MSc as opposed to the Building Surveying MSc? I am currently trying to decide between the two
I looked at the job spec on the RICS website and various firms’ websites and its not my thing, since it is highly focused on construction pathology. Personally, I prefer development because I have a keen interest in urban planning in addition to logistics involved with the creation/renewal/upkeep of individual buildings. My advice would be to read different universities’ web pages on the different courses, look at the reading list and read a couple of textbooks to get a good idea of what you are getting in to.
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Is it relatively easy to get employment as a MSc student?
- I would say it is relatively easy, there is however more and more competition for graduate programmes year on year, so ensure you get your applications in early. Additonally, there are quite a lot of recruiters who recruit new graduates across the property industry too, some companies of which will also sponsor you to do your APC (like mine are) - should you not want to go on a graduate scheme. Almost all of my friends who did the same course had a job lined up during the MSc or got employed shortly after.

Placements do help and also put you in good standing with the employer fro further opportunities such as a graduate job or internship.

How much do you know about the planning and development RICS pathway and the type of careers it produces (since I am very interested in this)?
- I don't know much about it I'm afraid, but I do know the careers are more towards the development surveyor/development manager side of things or acquisitions. However, it is fairly flexible - it shares the most of the same competencies as the commercial pathway (most popular).

Where do you see yourself in 10 years time?
- I really enjoy the retail and hospitality industry and hope to still be in this sector in ten years, either as a senior or head of property for a large fashion brand or restaurant group.

Finally, salary good?

- I would say so, salaries vary on graduate schemes - anything from £23,000-£28,000. Goes up when you get chartered. If you don't go the graduate scheme route, salaries are slightly higher; around £26,000+
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Is it relatively easy to get employment as a MSc student?
- I would say it is relatively easy, there is however more and more competition for graduate programmes year on year, so ensure you get your applications in early. Additonally, there are quite a lot of recruiters who recruit new graduates across the property industry too, some companies of which will also sponsor you to do your APC (like mine are) - should you not want to go on a graduate scheme. Almost all of my friends who did the same course had a job lined up during the MSc or got employed shortly after.

Placements do help and also put you in good standing with the employer fro further opportunities such as a graduate job or internship.

How much do you know about the planning and development RICS pathway and the type of careers it produces (since I am very interested in this)?
- I don't know much about it I'm afraid, but I do know the careers are more towards the development surveyor/development manager side of things or acquisitions. However, it is fairly flexible - it shares the most of the same competencies as the commercial pathway (most popular).

Where do you see yourself in 10 years time?
- I really enjoy the retail and hospitality industry and hope to still be in this sector in ten years, either as a senior or head of property for a large fashion brand or restaurant group.

Finally, salary good?

- I would say so, salaries vary on graduate schemes - anything from £23,000-£28,000. Goes up when you get chartered. If you don't go the graduate scheme route, salaries are slightly higher; around £26,000+
Thanks so much for the speedy reply!

May I also ask what a normal work day is like for you (perhaps pre-covid)?

what is the best part of your job?

Is there a good opportunity for intl work?

And finally what one piece of advice would you give to me?
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May I also ask what a normal work day is like for you (perhaps pre-covid)?
- Its super varied to be fair, but I'd say I spend a fair portion of my day updating information throughout our portfolio and working with the finance team. Other times, I can be answering calls from store managers and area managers if they want me to check lease obligations/what can or can't be done. If there was a refurbishment coming up, I would usually be in charge of creating the landlord pack or report to send off for the relevant permissions, which includes assiting with finance, getting board approval, scrutinising designs etc; so quite a bit!

what is the best part of your job?
- As I work client side in a small company, I feel like my professional opinions are really taken on board; so finding the best way to add value to our portfolios in the most cost effective ways is great for me. I also love the sociable side of the industry, lots of networking events, opportunites to make good contacts across the industry (very important - you'll always need a contact somewhere to make tasks easier)

Is there a good opportunity for intl work?
- Yes, if you join a large company with international offices (Savills, CBRE, JLL, CushWake, Knight Frank), it will be a lot easier. However, I wouldn't expect it until you get chartered.

And finally what one piece of advice would you give to me?

- Work on your network, don't be afraid to contact people in the industry to find out more about their roles etc. Follow companies on social media and keep up with what their doing.

- Stay on top of your commercial awareness, as the industry moves super fast. Sites like Property Week, EG, Construction Enquirer and Retail Week are quite good for staying up to date

- Try and think of transferable skills when it comes to part time jobs, internships in the industry are great but unfortunately not everyone gets them. Working in jobs such as retail, customer service or marketing, has just as valuable transferable skills. The industry is super socialable.
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I have been a paralegal for 5 years now. I'm 29 and looking at a career change.

I have always been interested in construction and spent all of my spare time at school labouring on sites. Now I am looking to take my experience and education and move into construction permanently and was hoping someone could help me figure out where my legal background in best suited for my move.

I am have been looking at both Building Surveying and Quantity Surveying. I realise they are both totally different but both would interest me. So if someone could help me figure where my legal background would be best transferred that would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks!
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I have been a paralegal for 5 years now. I'm 29 and looking at a career change.

I have always been interested in construction and spent all of my spare time at school labouring on sites. Now I am looking to take my experience and education and move into construction permanently and was hoping someone could help me figure out where my legal background in best suited for my move.

I am have been looking at both Building Surveying and Quantity Surveying. I realise they are both totally different but both would interest me. So if someone could help me figure where my legal background would be best transferred that would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks!
With your legal background, I probably would recommend Quantity Surveying as it will give you better prospectives in to going other professions in the industry like contracts manager.

Quantity surveyor also deals with more legal aspects and the monetary side of construction so I believe that would suit you better than building surveying.
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With your legal background, I probably would recommend Quantity Surveying as it will give you better prospectives in to going other professions in the industry like contracts manager.

Quantity surveyor also deals with more legal aspects and the monetary side of construction so I believe that would suit you better than building surveying.
Hi Christian12 Thanks for your reply!

I had thought that QS would be well suited given its commercial and contractual nature. Some had approached me about BS as well though because of neighbourly/boundary disputes also which threw me a little.
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Hi All

I have been a paralegal for 5 years now. I'm 29 and looking at a career change.

I have always been interested in construction and spent all of my spare time at school labouring on sites. Now I am looking to take my experience and education and move into construction permanently and was hoping someone could help me figure out where my legal background in best suited for my move.

I am have been looking at both Building Surveying and Quantity Surveying. I realise they are both totally different but both would interest me. So if someone could help me figure where my legal background would be best transferred that would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks!
I'd say the same as the above regarding Quantity Surveying too, but I'd also recommend Commercial Surveying to be honest. You have to deal with a fair amount of legal work and I'm sure someone with a legal background would be greatly appreciated in that area of work in particular, especially as it pertains to things like lease work and real estate strategy.
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I'd say the same as the above regarding Quantity Surveying too, but I'd also recommend Commercial Surveying to be honest. You have to deal with a fair amount of legal work and I'm sure someone with a legal background would be greatly appreciated in that area of work in particular, especially as it pertains to things like lease work and real estate strategy.
Thanks Sarah! Yes a lot of people seem to be steering towards to QS. To be honest law bores me so I’m not too concerned about too much law just where I can utilise my knowledge and experience to my advantage.

I think I’m veering towards BS as it’s more technical which interests me more and enough legal element to prove myself useful to begin with. Would this be correct to your understanding?


My friend is a residential surveyor and has mentioned this to me also. I think I would enjoy the construction element as much as the rest.
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