What are your thoughts on PSCHE in secondary school?
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I'm glad to see the TSR government holding a consultation on this.
1)The politics system is hardly EVER discussed but drugs and alcohol is discussed every year. I'd make politics a part of the curriculum, both sides of the debate presented. This IS in the Citizenship GCSE but there are many schools, like mine, that don't do it.
2) Teachers at my school have to teach PSHE in addition to whatever and in some cases, pupils really don't like that teacher. Having specialist teachers would be better.
3)It should be compulsory every year in secondary school. My school does it once a fortnight and I think that's enough, in addition to several allocated PSHE days in the year.
4) I honestly think sex education is taught a little too much in primary. It should still definitely definitely be taught but some years you learn nothing new.
Whatever is done, please don't abolish it.
1)The politics system is hardly EVER discussed but drugs and alcohol is discussed every year. I'd make politics a part of the curriculum, both sides of the debate presented. This IS in the Citizenship GCSE but there are many schools, like mine, that don't do it.
2) Teachers at my school have to teach PSHE in addition to whatever and in some cases, pupils really don't like that teacher. Having specialist teachers would be better.
3)It should be compulsory every year in secondary school. My school does it once a fortnight and I think that's enough, in addition to several allocated PSHE days in the year.
4) I honestly think sex education is taught a little too much in primary. It should still definitely definitely be taught but some years you learn nothing new.
Whatever is done, please don't abolish it.
Original post by LiberOfLondon
Schools teaching children about issues that are still up for debate* seems like a recipe for disaster unless done in a politics or RS class and with both sides of the argument presented.
*especially transgenderism
*especially transgenderism
Well in the UK, the existence of gender dysphoria and being able to transition under the existing age limits is a closed debate as far as the context I was describing goes. Also I'd like to know what else you class as 'still up for debate' from what I said?
Section 28 wasn't abolished for nothing.
Original post by SnowMiku
The politics system is hardly EVER discussed but drugs and alcohol is discussed every year. I'd make politics a part of the curriculum, both sides of the debate presented. This IS in the Citizenship GCSE but there are many schools, like mine, that don't do it.
The problem with this is that you risk turning it into a leftie (or, in some schools) right-wing brainwashing course. When we had a mock election a good few teachers weren't exactly impartial when describing the Brexit Party or Conservative manifestos.
Original post by Daveological
Section 28 wasn't abolished for nothing.
Giving both sides of the argument re transgenderism ≠ preventing ”the promotion of homosexuality”.
Most teachers are not impartial when teaching about social issues. Even if they were, I remember students being overwhelmingly liberal on social issues.
Original post by LiberOfLondon
The problem with this is that you risk turning it into a leftie (or, in some schools) right-wing brainwashing course. When we had a mock election a good few teachers weren't exactly impartial when describing the Brexit Party or Conservative manifestos.
Giving both sides of the argument re transgenderism ≠ preventing ”the promotion of homosexuality”.
Giving both sides of the argument re transgenderism ≠ preventing ”the promotion of homosexuality”.
Fair enough.
Original post by LiberOfLondon
Schools teaching children about issues that are still up for debate* seems like a recipe for disaster unless done in a politics or RS class and with both sides of the argument presented.
*especially transgenderism
*especially transgenderism
my existence isn't "up for debate".
Original post by carlodivarga-s
my existence isn't "up for debate".
Oh good. This compelling argument.
Original post by Theloniouss
Oh good. This compelling argument.
yeah very indecent of me not to want to be marginalised so you can feel more comfortable
Original post by carlodivarga-s
yeah very indecent of me not to want to be marginalised so you can feel more comfortable
I never said you were being indecent, or that it was making me uncomfortable. However, saying 'I exist' is not an argument, because the claim is not about your existence, it is about a specific trait you claim to possess.
Original post by Theloniouss
I never said you were being indecent, or that it was making me uncomfortable. However, saying 'I exist' is not an argument, because the claim is not about your existence, it is about a specific trait you claim to possess.
literally what do you even mean by that? i am definitely male and i am definitely attracted to men. that's... not a subjective thing.
Original post by carlodivarga-s
literally what do you even mean by that? i am definitely male and i am definitely attracted to men. that's... not a subjective thing.
Did I say it was subjective?
Original post by Theloniouss
Did I say it was subjective?
to be honest what you DID say didn't make sense. what are you actually trying to argue here?
Original post by carlodivarga-s
to be honest what you DID say didn't make sense. what are you actually trying to argue here?
That 'I exist' is not a very good argument that it is possible to be transgender, and you should probably not bother.
Original post by Theloniouss
That 'I exist' is not a very good argument that it is possible to be transgender, and you should probably not bother.
right... the existence of trans people is not a good argument for the existence of trans people. good talk, good talk.
Original post by carlodivarga-s
right... the existence of trans people is not a good argument for the existence of trans people. good talk, good talk.
Nobody has questioned whether or not you exist. They have questioned whether or not you are trans. If you don't want to engage with them, don't. But don't embarrass yourself by arguing against opinions nobody holds.
We should be taught life skills during those lessons (how to cook, how to write a CV, how to do CPR,how to defend ourselves etc.) sick of learning about relationships and drugs 24/7.
It's been many years since i say the inside of one these lessons but if memory serves it was an unbelievable waste of time nothing noteworthy being taught and what occasional topic that might have been useful being so horribly mangled so as to make it worthless.
Never mind the dubious use of it as a means of shoveling the states propaganda down young peoples throats.
Never mind the dubious use of it as a means of shoveling the states propaganda down young peoples throats.
Original post by The Mogg
It should be abolished. All of the content "taught" in PSE can and should be taught by parents/guardians, the subject is a waste of both time and money.
Original post by LiberOfLondon
Schools teaching children about issues that are still up for debate* seems like a recipe for disaster unless done in a politics or RS class and with both sides of the argument presented.
*especially transgenderism
*especially transgenderism
You seem to have assumed that content is usually ommitted by suggesting that "both sides of the argument" need to be presented. Is this accurate?
Original post by Theloniouss
I would take this a step further and say that parents should just teach the entire curriculum. They can probably teach it and they certainly might so I'm not really sure what the point of schools is.
I think you seem to forget that the vast majority of the population is not au fait with even half of the entire school curriculum. If I were to teach my hypothetical child, there are some good chunks that I’d need to revise.
Besides, parents having to teach children would have a dramatic social impact. How can parents work when they have to homeschool their child? The burden would fall disproportionately on the women, and we’d undo a lot of the progress towards equality that we’ve made over the last century.
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