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There seems to be a big difference in the salary of junior doctors in Scotland, and I'm not sure if I am misunderstanding something.

The salaries seem to be (Scotland - England)
FY1 24,991 vs 28,243
FY2 30,998 vs 32,691
ST1 34,388 vs 38,693
ST2 36,091 vs 38,693
ST3 37,795 vs 49,036
ST4 39,498 vs 49,036
ST5 41,552 vs 49,036
ST6 43,607 vs 58,398 (This increase to 58K will be from 2022 onwards)
ST7 45,663 vs 58,398
ST8 47,717 vs 58,398

I know that there is a difference in the way each country deals with weekends/unsocial hours, but this difference seems fairly large even with that in mind. An ST3 in England gets 49K whereas an ST3 in Scotland is on £37ish.

Can anyone tell me if I am missing something here?

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...I'm not sure if I am misunderstanding something....
Can anyone tell me if I am missing something here?...
Yes you have.

Scotland still has banding and England doesn't.

In simple terms, Scotland junior doctors are still on the old junior doctors' contract.

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=5158294
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Yes you have.

Scotland still has banding and England doesn't.

In simple terms, Scotland junior doctors are still on the old junior doctors' contract.

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=5158294
That has really helped, thanks!
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Still seems like people on average would make more in England no? Also with the new 5th nodal point from ST6 and onwards, doctors will definitely earn a lot more in England. Is Scotland planning on adopting the newest contract?
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Yeah the new contract definitely seems better in terms of pay. Baffles me why most junior doctors were vehemently opposed to its introduction.
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Due to banding a lot of juniors in Scotland get paid more than English counterparts. Certainly in F1 and F2. This may not be the case as you get more senior but clearly comes down to individual jobs.
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How much of an uplift to our English colleagues get for unsocial hours? Suppose for an FY1 who is starting out on a typical gen med, gen surg, random medical rotation. For us, that would be 50% banding - equating to 36k a year brought in. What would the equivalent in England make?
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Hi,

I'm starting in Scotland as an F1 and was wondering if you knew roughly what the banding would be for T&O, urology and gen med?

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How much of an uplift to our English colleagues get for unsocial hours? Suppose for an FY1 who is starting out on a typical gen med, gen surg, random medical rotation. For us, that would be 50% banding - equating to 36k a year brought in. What would the equivalent in England make?
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Hi,

I'm starting in Scotland as an F1 and was wondering if you knew roughly what the banding would be for T&O, urology and gen med?

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Depends on your exact hospital, but it would typically be 50% - I would expect you to cover weekends and OOH for all of those specialties, +/- nights.
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Depends on your exact hospital, but it would typically be 50% - I would expect you to cover weekends and OOH for all of those specialties, +/- nights.
Ah thanks, yeah they did specify that all of those jobs will have weekends and nights
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Is the 28k in England for 40 or 48 hours?

Because if it's the latter that's a pittance and approaching the pay of my part time job.
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Is the 28k in England for 40 or 48 hours?

Because if it's the latter that's a pittance and approaching the pay of my part time jobIt's
It's for 40 hours.
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I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to switch especially with the 5th nodal point being introduced
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I'm an ST2 in Scotland and I get paid significantly more than what that table says. I'm not sure how much an ST2 in England would get paid on top of that figure for doing unsociable hours, but I'm on a job that is 50% banding (and have never hand a banding of less than 40%).
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Same as above, I’m an FY1 in Scotland, base salary of around £24000, but this year will have earned about £38000 ( two jobs 50%, current 80%) and actually one of those 50%s would have been 100% if everyone completed their monitoring!! My current rota is intense but I wouldn’t say I have had a horrendously busy year, so paid pretty well.
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I’m an F2 on the old contract and come out with about £44000 this year (50% banding all year). My current rota is great and I hardly ever stay late.

Does the new contract come with some kind of uplift or is that listed about all you get ? If there is an uplift isn’t that a similar system to banding then?
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(Original post by Starz678)
I’m an F2 on the old contract and come out with about £44000 this year (50% banding all year). My current rota is great and I hardly ever stay late.

Does the new contract come with some kind of uplift or is that listed about all you get ? If there is an uplift isn’t that a similar system to banding then?
There is an uplift in a way but it itemises the pay into that for unsocial hours, weekend commitment, and hours above 40. I'm also an F2 on the new contract though and my current job is equivalent to £47.5k/year (but with 1 in 2 weekends). My last rotation had about 1 in 4-5 and was equivalent to £43.5k/year (with v. similar OOH work) so I imagine it's relatively comparable (especially in terms of net take home) for jobs with on-call commitments.
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(Original post by manic_fuzz)
There is an uplift in a way but it itemises the pay into that for unsocial hours, weekend commitment, and hours above 40. I'm also an F2 on the new contract though and my current job is equivalent to £47.5k/year (but with 1 in 2 weekends). My last rotation had about 1 in 4-5 and was equivalent to £43.5k/year (with v. similar OOH work) so I imagine it's relatively comparable (especially in terms of net take home) for jobs with on-call commitments.
Yup, this sounds very similar to what I earn as an F2 in Scotland as well. 45k for 50% banding throughout the year.
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alright,is helpful information
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