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Washington’s mischaracterisation of Beijing’s intentions is the basis for moves to increase US’ presence in Arctic and lean on allies to undermine China’s
However, public opinion in the region largely welcomes Chinese participation in scientific endeavours and infrastructure development
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...-no-one-itself
However, public opinion in the region largely welcomes Chinese participation in scientific endeavours and infrastructure development
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...-no-one-itself
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China's attempts to steal international waters by building artificial Islands in the south China sea are the biggest theft in world history.
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China's attempts to steal international waters by building artificial Islands in the south China sea are the biggest theft in world history.
China's attempts to steal international waters by building artificial Islands in the south China sea are the biggest theft in world history.
But don't let facts get in the way of hating on China. To that I say: haters gonna hate!
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If you forget the European colonization of the Americas and Australia and New Zealand and Africa and much of Asia.
But don't let facts get in the way of hating on China. To that I say: haters gonna hate!
If you forget the European colonization of the Americas and Australia and New Zealand and Africa and much of Asia.
But don't let facts get in the way of hating on China. To that I say: haters gonna hate!
Nobody hates China here they do think you spread hate and are the most disreputable shill on TSR.
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Except they are independent countries now and that was centuries ago.
Nobody hates China here they do think you spread hate and are the most disreputable shill on TSR.
Except they are independent countries now and that was centuries ago.
Nobody hates China here they do think you spread hate and are the most disreputable shill on TSR.
Please edit and correct your anti-China propaganda.
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You are literally the worst person on this website. Why do you insist on this ****.
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You said biggest "in world history". I have shown that to be a lie.
Please edit and correct your anti-China propaganda.
You said biggest "in world history". I have shown that to be a lie.
Please edit and correct your anti-China propaganda.
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(Original post by AngeryPenguin)
Washington’s mischaracterisation of Beijing’s intentions is the basis for moves to increase US’ presence in Arctic and lean on allies to undermine China’s
However, public opinion in the region largely welcomes Chinese participation in scientific endeavours and infrastructure development
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...-no-one-itself
Washington’s mischaracterisation of Beijing’s intentions is the basis for moves to increase US’ presence in Arctic and lean on allies to undermine China’s
However, public opinion in the region largely welcomes Chinese participation in scientific endeavours and infrastructure development
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...-no-one-itself
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Well, no. Not really centuries ago, actually. Not independent, either. The head of state in Australia and many other Commonwealth nations is still the Queen. India has only been independent since 1947. Australia had no choice but to go to war in 1914 and again in 1939 because of colonial power relationships. OK, China has a questionable international policy, but the UK isn't in any way a better example. Some of the greatest atrocities have been committed by the British, and many people are still suffering because of Colonialism. It didn't just magically end in 1947, and it wasn't centuries ago by any means. If you're going to spout about history, at least make sure you know what you're talking about.All that said, China is a new colonial power.
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Well, no. Not really centuries ago, actually. Not independent, either. The head of state in Australia and many other Commonwealth nations is still the Queen. India has only been independent since 1947. Australia had no choice but to go to war in 1914 and again in 1939 because of colonial power relationships. OK, China has a questionable international policy, but the UK isn't in any way a better example. Some of the greatest atrocities have been committed by the British, and many people are still suffering because of Colonialism. It didn't just magically end in 1947, and it wasn't centuries ago by any means. If you're going to spout about history, at least make sure you know what you're talking about.
All that said, China is a new colonial power.
All that said, China is a new colonial power.
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(Original post by AngeryPenguin)
However, public opinion in the region largely welcomes Chinese participation in scientific endeavours and infrastructure development
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...-no-one-itself
However, public opinion in the region largely welcomes Chinese participation in scientific endeavours and infrastructure development
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...-no-one-itself
None of the littoral states want China sticking its nose in where its not wanted. And make no mistake China has no business in the Arctic.
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Well, no. Not really centuries ago, actually. Not independent, either. The head of state in Australia and many other Commonwealth nations is still the Queen. India has only been independent since 1947. Australia had no choice but to go to war in 1914 and again in 1939 because of colonial power relationships. OK, China has a questionable international policy, but the UK isn't in any way a better example. Some of the greatest atrocities have been committed by the British, and many people are still suffering because of Colonialism. It didn't just magically end in 1947, and it wasn't centuries ago by any means. If you're going to spout about history, at least make sure you know what you're talking about.
All that said, China is a new colonial power.
Well, no. Not really centuries ago, actually. Not independent, either. The head of state in Australia and many other Commonwealth nations is still the Queen. India has only been independent since 1947. Australia had no choice but to go to war in 1914 and again in 1939 because of colonial power relationships. OK, China has a questionable international policy, but the UK isn't in any way a better example. Some of the greatest atrocities have been committed by the British, and many people are still suffering because of Colonialism. It didn't just magically end in 1947, and it wasn't centuries ago by any means. If you're going to spout about history, at least make sure you know what you're talking about.
All that said, China is a new colonial power.
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You said biggest "in world history". I have shown that to be a lie.
Please edit and correct your anti-China propaganda.
You said biggest "in world history". I have shown that to be a lie.
Please edit and correct your anti-China propaganda.
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No it doesnt
None of the littoral states want China sticking its nose in where its not wanted. And make no mistake China has no business in the Arctic.
No it doesnt
None of the littoral states want China sticking its nose in where its not wanted. And make no mistake China has no business in the Arctic.
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Would you care to expand on that?
Would you care to expand on that?
To expand, here are some useful links you could have Googled yourself:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7612176.html --> This one doesn't even include the imprisonment and often enslavement of indigenous peoples in places like Australia and Canada, nor the removal of indigenous children, nor the attempt to eradicate their "blood lines" by tryiing to "breed out" their non-white heritage. It's pretty easy to expand on all of this with just a little research. I'm not going to spend hours doing it for you.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes. --> most of these involve the late Empire period.
Also, the Windrush scandal is essentially a colonial product as well. There are still many examples of colonial era attitudes and governance still impacting people's lives today.
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Sure - attempted indigenous genocide in every single "settler" nation; slavery (oh, but Britain is now morally exempt because something-about-Manchester-supporting-Lincon); mass transport of "convicts" (many of them from Ireland); Ireland in general...
Sure - attempted indigenous genocide in every single "settler" nation; slavery (oh, but Britain is now morally exempt because something-about-Manchester-supporting-Lincon); mass transport of "convicts" (many of them from Ireland); Ireland in general...
What are you rattling on about Manchester for?
To expand, here are some useful links you could have Googled yourself:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7612176.html --> This one doesn't even include the imprisonment and often enslavement of indigenous peoples in places like Australia and Canada, nor the removal of indigenous children, nor the attempt to eradicate their "blood lines" by tryiing to "breed out" their non-white heritage. It's pretty easy to expand on all of this with just a little research. I'm not going to spend hours doing it for you.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes. --> most of these involve the late Empire period.
Also, the Windrush scandal is essentially a colonial product as well. There are still many examples of colonial era attitudes and governance still impacting people's lives today.
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You're absolutely right, no genocide. I guess, since Jewish people surived the holocaust, that wasn't genocide either? https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/...cMBEafv5vqPvr&
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...YmDb1auYY0AKg_
Look, if you don't want to accept it, it's on you. You have no idea what you are talking about (there was no "independence" in Australia - it is STILL headed by the Queen. It was federated, very, very different. Just one example of your ignorance on the issue). Also, the policies I'm talking about were instigated very early on in "settlement" by the British - the idea that at the moment of Federation in 1901 everything happening before became an Australian-only issue is ludicrous. Moreover, what about
It's all out there for you to find, but I guess it would be awkward to accept that the British Empire was one of the most cruel and brutal of that era. "Struggling to think of" is a case in point - you ALREADY don't know this stuff, so why would you thinking about examples help you? You'd need to do some actually reading or research to know what happened.
Also, to describe Amritsar as "shabby" just shows that you don't want to percieve these atrocities for what they are.
I would also point out that "South American Indians" is an outdated term from the 1950s, and that the British Empire was ALSO complicit in the massacre of First Nations in North America (who we might call "Indians", if we were desperately uninformed).
The rest, you can use your brain, or just dismiss it. I'll admit the Manchester mention was a bit obscure - when I've raised the issue of Britain's role in slavery with people in the UK, I've been repeatedly told to go and look at the statue of Lincoln in a square in Manchester, which includes the text of a letter written by Lincoln to the workers of Manchester to thank them for supporting the anti-slavery movement. As if this somehow absolves the UK from supporting, orchestrating, and profiting from slavery for hundreds of years.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...YmDb1auYY0AKg_
Look, if you don't want to accept it, it's on you. You have no idea what you are talking about (there was no "independence" in Australia - it is STILL headed by the Queen. It was federated, very, very different. Just one example of your ignorance on the issue). Also, the policies I'm talking about were instigated very early on in "settlement" by the British - the idea that at the moment of Federation in 1901 everything happening before became an Australian-only issue is ludicrous. Moreover, what about
It's all out there for you to find, but I guess it would be awkward to accept that the British Empire was one of the most cruel and brutal of that era. "Struggling to think of" is a case in point - you ALREADY don't know this stuff, so why would you thinking about examples help you? You'd need to do some actually reading or research to know what happened.
Also, to describe Amritsar as "shabby" just shows that you don't want to percieve these atrocities for what they are.
I would also point out that "South American Indians" is an outdated term from the 1950s, and that the British Empire was ALSO complicit in the massacre of First Nations in North America (who we might call "Indians", if we were desperately uninformed).
The rest, you can use your brain, or just dismiss it. I'll admit the Manchester mention was a bit obscure - when I've raised the issue of Britain's role in slavery with people in the UK, I've been repeatedly told to go and look at the statue of Lincoln in a square in Manchester, which includes the text of a letter written by Lincoln to the workers of Manchester to thank them for supporting the anti-slavery movement. As if this somehow absolves the UK from supporting, orchestrating, and profiting from slavery for hundreds of years.
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