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So I'm attending a (virtual) Q&A tomorrow about the struggle for US Civil Rights during the 1960s with a leading Historian in this field (Prof. Adam Fairclough).

Despite trying very hard, I've been struggling to think of anything that I'd actually like to ask him. I've spent the last year of my degree studying this topic, and have done it in detail before at A Level too. So I'm kind of burnt out on the subject. :lol:

I thought I'd offer out the opportunity for me to ask him some questions on your behalf though, if this is a topic you're interested in then fire away with some thought provoking ideas. The Q&A is at 2pm and I promise to report back any answers I get in as much detail as I can.
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Hey

I'm not a specialist in civil rights movement but the question I have in mind is about predicting a possible future trend stemming from USA's failure to address it's issues ranging from its own creation by forceful repossession of native American lands, the Eugenics movement which followed a string of forced sterilization programs, to hateful rhetoric of ethnic minorities ranging from south to east Asian communities, Eg; intern camps of Japanese residents following WW2, to the hateful racism by enforced by institutions which has in part created environment for rising nationalism we see here today.

My Question to you is do you think that the civil rights movement has succeded in its respective purpose for shared equality especially when looking at todays political landscape being similar to Germany's inevitable rise of The Third Reich Government and setting the stage for WW2. Do you think USA really deserves to be a center for civil rights movement when it's own government fails to prioritize its citizens safety over economic growth. Do you think civil rights movement has succeded in that particular role for shared safety and equality for all citizens.

Hope I helped ik its too long sorry for all this
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The ACLU were one of the bastions in defending civil rights like freedom of speech back then, now they have been incorporated into the anti-Trump franchise and do little more than taking the war to him. Money can corrupt everything,.the last straw was for them to defend the rights of legal demonstrators in Charlottesville. That is a civil right they would defend to their deaths back then but no more.

There's a possible question, how come the ACLU would defend a neo-nazi's right to march down a Jewish neighbourhood (even appointing a Jewish lawyer to reinforce the point!) in the 70s and now they are just another crude leftist outpost who wouldn't dream of it? What has changed on their assessment of what civil rights are and why? Whose money has achieved that?

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the Q&A ended up concluding that illegal migration is a human right, it's all around us these days and there is an awful lot of money and political capital invested into it. Such political stances are very strongly promoted in the right places and instances, the education system being the most fertile ground for them to be found in when not broadcast by the media complex owned by the same group of interests. Newsnight, there's another outpost of the same political philosophy.
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The ACLU were one of the bastions in defending civil rights like freedom of speech back then, now they have been incorporated into the anti-Trump franchise and do little more than taking the war to him. Money can corrupt everything,.the last straw was for them to defend the rights of legal demonstrators in Charlottesville. That is a civil right they would defend to their deaths back then but no more.

There's a possible question, how come the ACLU would defend a neo-nazi's right to march down a Jewish neighbourhood (even appointing a Jewish lawyer to reinforce the point!) in the 70s and now they are just another crude leftist outpost who wouldn't dream of it? What has changed on their assessment of what civil rights are and why? Whose money has achieved that?

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the Q&A ended up concluding that illegal migration is a human right, it's all around us these days and there is an awful lot of money and political capital invested into it. Such political stances are very strongly promoted in the right places and instances, the education system being the most fertile ground for them to be found in when not broadcast by the media complex owned by the same group of interests. Newsnight, there's another outpost of the same political philosophy.
Are you counter arguing with my point or asking a question because I don't disagree with what you are saying
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Are you counter arguing with my point or asking a question because I don't disagree with what you are saying
Just asking a question.
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Just asking a question.
Well I'm afraid his Q&A session is probably over...
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Well I'm afraid his Q&A session is probably over...
It starts at 2pm.

I've made a note of the above questions, and will do my best to ask them.
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Well I'm afraid his Q&A session is probably over...
From the OP it appears to be at 2pm today
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From the OP it appears to be at 2pm today
kk my bad thats why i said probably
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Adam 77 z-hog

So sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I did raise these points to Adam (worded slightly differently) and got responses along the lines of what's written below.


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How come the ACLU would defend a neo-nazi's right to march down a Jewish neighbourhood (even appointing a Jewish lawyer to reinforce the point!) in the 70s and now they are just another crude leftist outpost who wouldn't dream of it? What has changed on their assessment of what civil rights are and why? Whose money has achieved that?

It's quite cynical to assume it's entirely funding that has caused this change, though it may be the case that the position of funders did have an impact. However, politically and socially the landscape of USA has changed considerably over the decades and organisations change with it. The NAACP in 1910 is not the NAACP we see in 1970. Organisations change and move with the times, we've already recognised the significant change that SNCC underwent in 1966 as Black Power built momentum. If you want to brand the CLU a crude leftist output then that's quite a subjective view. That doesn't make it wrong, but you can recognise that others will legitimately disagree with you. Nobody ever agreed in the civil rights movement exactly what civil rights was supposed to mean. They simply found injustices and tried to make them right, make life more equal for African Americans at the time.






Do you think that the civil rights movement has succeded in its respective purpose for shared equality especially when looking at todays political landscape being similar to Germany's inevitable rise of The Third Reich Government and setting the stage for WW2?

It's quite easy to draw historical comparisons over time, and we're at risk of running into Godwin's Law here so I'm not going to get carried away with Germany. What is interesting to consider, it this notion that the civil rights movement had a purpose, and the suggestion that this purpose is shared equality. I think the reality is that the civil rights movement had a large range of different purposes throughout the long movement. The Black Panther Party certainly didn't want to share their equality with the white American.


Do you think USA really deserves to be a center for civil rights movement when it's own government fails to prioritize its citizens safety over economic growth?

That implies that the civil rights movement expanded beyond the USA. And to an extent it did with the liberation of a huge number of colonies, especially in Africa, during the same years as these protests in America. Does that mean we should call the USA the center? Maybe not. The USA has always been politically very Libertarian, due to the principles it was founded upon only very recently.

Do you think civil rights movement has succeded in that particular role for shared safety and equality for all citizens?

This can only be measured through direct comparison. Would a black boy be beat up and killed in Mississippi for wolf whistling at a white woman? A lot less likely. Can black children go to school with white children and not get spat on as a result of their skin colour? Yes. Are economically deprived black youngsters still statistically more likely to be involved in and be victims of criminal behaviour compared to young whites? Still yes. So there is better safety and more equality than there was, that doesn't make the 21st century perfect.
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