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What do St Andrews look for in applicants??

Hi all, I’m thinking of applying to St Andrews this autumn. I love the uni and I feel like it’ll be a near perfect fit for me.
Unlike other unis I can’t seem to suss out what St Andrews look for....do they focus on GCSE grades and A-level predictions the most or your personal statement and references? Or is it an equal mix of both? Do they fairly take into consideration extenuating circumstances? My GCSEs are good but not amazing, I also narrowly failed maths but passed in the November resit - I know it’s easy for me to say but I know and my secondary teacher knew that me failing wouldn’t have happened if my education wasn’t so severely impacted throughout secondary school. I also have a 3 (in music) but surely as it’s not an “important” subject that wouldn’t impact my application too much?
I’ll be applying for philosophy, if that helps, as I do know it’s not the most competitive subject compared to history, computer science or international relations (to name a few) for example.
I only ask as St Andrews is apparently one of the hardest unis to get into (harder than Cambridge and Oxford apparently as said by The Tab) but philosophy requires AAB and I know I can get that and even exceed that.
Thanks :smile:
Yes grades are important but they want applications to be unique - they need to see what type of person you are. Uni departments strongly look for experiences or personal stories that back up your interest for that subject. Applications should only mention extracurriculars that are relevant to your desired subject, otherswise it’s a waste of words.

I cannot emphasise enough how important it is to show your personality through your application; be authentic and really use this opportunity to show who you are. Admission tutors will read umpteen amount of personal statements, most of whom have really good grades and many skills/qualities. Yes it is important to mention skills you believe you have devloped but it‘s the extra events, personal experiences and potentially key school clubs that will represent if you’re a suitable cantidate (through your committment and passion for that subject) or not.

Hope this helps.
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Original post by nicolej113
Yes grades are important but they want applications to be unique - they need to see what type of person you are. Uni departments strongly look for experiences or personal stories that back up your interest for that subject. Applications should only mention extracurriculars that are relevant to your desired subject, otherswise it’s a waste of words.

I cannot emphasise enough how important it is to show your personality through your application; be authentic and really use this opportunity to show who you are. Admission tutors will read umpteen amount of personal statements, most of whom have really good grades and many skills/qualities. Yes it is important to mention skills you believe you have devloped but it‘s the extra events, personal experiences and potentially key school clubs that will represent if you’re a suitable cantidate (through your committment and passion for that subject) or not.

Hope this helps.


Thank you, this has helped loads. Philosophy is relatively new to me, I only really found out what it truly is about a month or two ago, so I’m planning on spending this time we have on building my knowledge of it and doing things that’ll hopefully show them that I do have a commitment to it and a growing passion. I don’t have any extracurriculars (sports and all that) but I’ve done quite a bit of academic “activities” such as MOOCs, subject based summer schools coming up (but not on philosophy) and I’m planning on making an order of books soon. There’s online lectures and talks on various philosophical topics on YouTube that I’m piling up to watch and make notes on soon. I also have thought of a topic I’d like to base the majority of my statement around but I’m not sure whether it’ll be “good enough”? But I have some vague ideas floating around that’ll I’ll hopefully decide on with clarity in time.
Thanks again :smile:
Ah yes, I’d recommend mentioning books that have inspired you to do further research in that subject. Some people say it’s a waste of characters but I did it in my personal statement and it didn’t seem to be detrimental, as long as you can link it to your subject and how it strengthened your interest to study that course at a further level then it’s worth mentioning it!

As for your summer school, it may not be related to philosophy but you will develop a range of skills and memorable experiences which could benefit you in wider university life. By mentioning something like that it would show you’re a keen student that will be able to cope with your studies & uni societies/clubs that you wish to participate in.

You’ve got quite a while to go so just do what you can. All the best! :smile:
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Original post by nicolej113
Ah yes, I’d recommend mentioning books that have inspired you to do further research in that subject. Some people say it’s a waste of characters but I did it in my personal statement and it didn’t seem to be detrimental, as long as you can link it to your subject and how it strengthened your interest to study that course at a further level then it’s worth mentioning it!

As for your summer school, it may not be related to philosophy but you will develop a range of skills and memorable experiences which could benefit you in wider university life. By mentioning something like that it would show you’re a keen student that will be able to cope with your studies & uni societies/clubs that you wish to participate in.

You’ve got quite a while to go so just do what you can. All the best! :smile:


Yes exactly! I’ve read quite a few of personal statement advice articles and they’ve all said talking about books was a waste but I don’t see how else you could talk about philosophy as a subject without mentioning philosophers and their texts?
Thanks again, you’ve been a massive help :smile:
Original post by Anonymous
Hi all, I’m thinking of applying to St Andrews this autumn. I love the uni and I feel like it’ll be a near perfect fit for me.
Unlike other unis I can’t seem to suss out what St Andrews look for....do they focus on GCSE grades and A-level predictions the most or your personal statement and references? Or is it an equal mix of both? Do they fairly take into consideration extenuating circumstances? My GCSEs are good but not amazing, I also narrowly failed maths but passed in the November resit - I know it’s easy for me to say but I know and my secondary teacher knew that me failing wouldn’t have happened if my education wasn’t so severely impacted throughout secondary school. I also have a 3 (in music) but surely as it’s not an “important” subject that wouldn’t impact my application too much?
I’ll be applying for philosophy, if that helps, as I do know it’s not the most competitive subject compared to history, computer science or international relations (to name a few) for example.
I only ask as St Andrews is apparently one of the hardest unis to get into (harder than Cambridge and Oxford apparently as said by The Tab) but philosophy requires AAB and I know I can get that and even exceed that.
Thanks :smile:


St Andrews is one of the most prestigious uni in world to study Philosophy. It is currently ranked 6th in the world. Their philosophy department is actually much better than Cambridge or Harvard (https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2020/philosophy). Insanely influential philosophers around the world are currently teaching in St Andrews. One of the logicians managed to secure multi-million pounds worth of funding from the EU.

Also, getting AAB doesn't guarantee you being offered a place. People I know had to achieve A*AA to get in.

Start reading some books such as Descartes' Meditations, or Plato's Republic. Also, get your head around some of the most classic metaphysical arguments such as the mind-body problem (read Descartes' works), time continuum (watching videos on youtube is best for this), and causality (read Hume's books for this).
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Original post by Philosophus1.618
St Andrews is one of the most prestigious uni in world to study Philosophy. It is currently ranked 6th in the world. Their philosophy department is actually much better than Cambridge or Harvard (https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2020/philosophy). Insanely influential philosophers around the world are currently teaching in St Andrews. One of the logicians managed to secure multi-million pounds worth of funding from the EU.

Also, getting AAB doesn't guarantee you being offered a place. People I know had to achieve A*AA to get in.

Start reading some books such as Descartes' Meditations, or Plato's Republic. Also, get your head around some of the most classic metaphysical arguments such as the mind-body problem (read Descartes' works), time continuum (watching videos on youtube is best for this), and causality (read Hume's books for this).


I always knew that it was an amazing place to study Philosophy...I guess I underestimated HOW amazing it was in terms of prestige. I suppose that does reduce my chances significantly, I get the vibe you feel the same.
Fully aware that AAB doesn’t guarantee me being offered a place, I figured for the standard of Philosophy offered at St Andrews an requirement of AAB is actually quite decent and as I know I can get that and am very likely to get AAA, I figured I may as well give it a go.
Thanks for the book recommendations, I’ve actually got the majority of the ones you mentioned in my Amazon basket right now! Just waiting on a voucher to lower the overall cost a bit ahahah.
Would you say I have more of a “chance” of getting an offer from Edinburgh for philosophy as opposed to St Andrews?
Thank you for your insight and help :smile:
Original post by Anonymous
I always knew that it was an amazing place to study Philosophy...I guess I underestimated HOW amazing it was in terms of prestige. I suppose that does reduce my chances significantly, I get the vibe you feel the same.
Fully aware that AAB doesn’t guarantee me being offered a place, I figured for the standard of Philosophy offered at St Andrews an requirement of AAB is actually quite decent and as I know I can get that and am very likely to get AAA, I figured I may as well give it a go.
Thanks for the book recommendations, I’ve actually got the majority of the ones you mentioned in my Amazon basket right now! Just waiting on a voucher to lower the overall cost a bit ahahah.
Would you say I have more of a “chance” of getting an offer from Edinburgh for philosophy as opposed to St Andrews?
Thank you for your insight and help :smile:


Also try reading elementary formal logic textbooks. The one I highly recommend is 'The Languages of Logic' by Guttenplan. He makes it so easy to understands and there are exercise you can do to improve your skills. After all, all arguments in philosophy are analysed using tools learnt from your logic classes.

Just give it a go and apply to St Andrews. If you have a brilliant PS, which one of my friends did, then your chances of getting accepted is actually quite high. They want students who are enthusiastic about their subjects.

If I had to be totally honest, getting an offer from Edinburgh is way easier. Apply to both, if you want! :smile:

Wish you all the best.
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Original post by Philosophus1.618
Also try reading elementary formal logic textbooks. The one I highly recommend is 'The Languages of Logic' by Guttenplan. He makes it so easy to understands and there are exercise you can do to improve your skills. After all, all arguments in philosophy are analysed using tools learnt from your logic classes.

Just give it a go and apply to St Andrews. If you have a brilliant PS, which one of my friends did, then your chances of getting accepted is actually quite high. They want students who are enthusiastic about their subjects.

If I had to be totally honest, getting an offer from Edinburgh is way easier. Apply to both, if you want! :smile:

Wish you all the best.


Thank you so much for the book rec on logic! I’ve been avoiding it a tad as it’s quite intimidating to me as seems very maths-y and I’m not a maths person, although I’ve also read that you don’t need to be good at maths to be good at logic as long as you stick at it...I suppose instead of it being directly connected to maths it’s more of a cousin to it? (let me know if I’m wrong though!)
Thanks for the encouragement - ah I might do! I’m a good 4-5hrs on the train away from Edinburgh so it’ll be around six for St Andrews....the distance is a little nerve wracking but I just love the Scottish degree structure and I feel as if it’ll be amazing opportunity for me to live in Scotland for 4 years you know? Ramble aside, applying for both may be my best bet now that you’ve mentioned it!
Thank you again :smile:
St Andrews student here! I know this thread is a little old but maybe someone will see this.

I studied philosophy in my first year along with film studies and comp sci. Philosophy was amazing! That logician that secured the funding was one of my lecturers, Franz Berto!


I had never studied it before but I had always wanted to. The modules I took were Moral & Political Philosophy and Reasoning (which is mandatory). I think the books that have been recommended to you are great especially Guttenplan, that's actually the book we used in my Reasoning module! It's a really good book and it's not that maths-y. I think of it as more like a game with a bunch of rules, I guess like chess but way easier. The other book we used was Foglin's Understanding Arguments. His writing is also really simple and the book is a fun read. The other books that have been recommended are great for metaphysics which if you want to study philosophy beyond first year will be invaluable. But if you're like me and you're more into the moral and political side of philosophy I have a few recommendations:

Utilitarianism: and, On Liberty - John Stuart Mill
Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals - Kant
Political liberalism - John Rawls
Anarchy, State and Utopia - Robert Nozick

Familiarising yourself with socialism would also be a good idea. In the module, we read G.A Cohen's Why Not Socialism but honestly, I think there are better reasources about socialism elsewhere.

Though really you don't need to read any of these. The modules will assume you have no prior knowledge but I think knowing these philosophers' main ideas would be helpful, even if you just read about them online. Lastly don't feel like you have to spend a ton of money on these books. In my first year, I didn't buy a single book and I got by just fine. The library is really nice and most of the books are available for free online through the university.

If you have any other questions about first-year philosophy or St Andrews in general feel free to ask. I hope you get in!
Original post by nicolej113
Yes grades are important but they want applications to be unique - they need to see what type of person you are. Uni departments strongly look for experiences or personal stories that back up your interest for that subject. Applications should only mention extracurriculars that are relevant to your desired subject, otherswise it’s a waste of words.

I cannot emphasise enough how important it is to show your personality through your application; be authentic and really use this opportunity to show who you are. Admission tutors will read umpteen amount of personal statements, most of whom have really good grades and many skills/qualities. Yes it is important to mention skills you believe you have devloped but it‘s the extra events, personal experiences and potentially key school clubs that will represent if you’re a suitable cantidate (through your committment and passion for that subject) or not.

Hope this helps.

This is amazing advice thank you!

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