The Student Room Group

Bundesliga

Scroll to see replies

Original post by Zürich
"Der Klassiker" is an absurd notion given there is precisely zero hitorical rivalry between Bayern/Dortmund nor any kind of geographical proximity. It would be like calling Liverpool vs City games "The Classic" in 10 years time because they had a few years competing once upon a time.


Exaclty! that is a thing of (German) media to merchandise this match out of the Bundesliga, but hey that is really not a comparison to duels like Barcelona vs Madrid or Milan vs Inter. No geographical proximity, no tremendous sporty rivalry. They are not at the same level and will probably never be.
Reply 81
Original post by Kallisto
Exaclty! that is a thing of (German) media to merchandise this match out of the Bundesliga, but hey that is really not a comparison to duels like Barcelona vs Madrid or Milan vs Inter. No geographical proximity, no tremendous sporty rivalry. They are not at the same level and will probably never be.


Yes very forced and ersatz. Bayern are a curse for the Bubdesliga of course and everyone hates them but to suggest BVB have any kind of specific hatred is simply not true.

Great that Xabi Alonso is staying, he has every chance at doing a repeat next season.

Found the arragance of Bayern in the way they've publicly approached Alonso and discussed it so arrangantly very uncouth. Typical for them. Need Arsenal to humble them next month too! Glad they are brining zero fans to London, found them very asocial when they came a few years back.
(edited 10 months ago)
Reply 82
Original post by Zürich
"Der Klassiker" is an absurd notion given there is precisely zero hitorical rivalry between Bayern/Dortmund nor any kind of geographical proximity. It would be like calling Liverpool vs City games "The Classic" in 10 years time because they had a few years competing once upon a time.

What kind of historical/geographical link was there between Man Utd and Arsenal? And yet they were seen as rivals for years when competing for the biggest trophies.

The reality is there are no real big games in Germany as Bayern Munich are so far ahead of everyone but Dortmund were able to challenge them for a short while and so it's just a branding exercise to try and hype the league for external/international viewers.
Reply 83
Original post by Zürich
Yes very forced and ersatz. Bayern are a curse for the Bubdesliga of course and everyone hates them but to suggest BVB have any kind of specific hatred is simply not true.
Great that Xabi Alonso is staying, he has every chance at doing a repeat next season.
Found the arragance of Bayern in the way they've publicly approached Alonso and discussed it so arrangantly very uncouth. Typical for them. Need Arsenal to humble them next month too! Glad they are brining zero fans to London, found them very asocial when they came a few years back.

Bayern Munich always do. Anything to try and upset a team that might challenge them.
Reply 84
Original post by Zerforax
What kind of historical/geographical link was there between Man Utd and Arsenal? And yet they were seen as rivals for years when competing for the biggest trophies.
The reality is there are no real big games in Germany as Bayern Munich are so far ahead of everyone but Dortmund were able to challenge them for a short while and so it's just a branding exercise to try and hype the league for external/international viewers.

Again, it's largely a recent thing. In the late 70s there were a few players transfered controvertially and a few high profile FA cup games but nothing like a proper rivalry. However, in the late 90s to mid naughties you had Arsenal/Utd going toe to toe in some fierce battles that all remember very well so you can say that a rivalry formed. However, it's largely gone now as the managers/players have long gone to its reverted to what it was, a mild animosity.

Utd are a bit of a joke now and have been for over a decade. People have started to forget how much they hated them
but surely they will return sooner or later, they're just too rich not to be hated!

Long term rivalries come from locality. Liverpool and Utd are fierce rivals even though Liverpool couldnt lay a glove on Utd for 30 years and they always will be. Spurs/Chelsea would be considered Arsenal's biggest rivals by some distance.

The big rivalry in Germany is of course BVB/Schalke but Schalke are now looking at 3rd division. Cologne/Leverkusen is another of course, although very one sided as Leverkusen are pretty boring.
(edited 10 months ago)
Reply 85
Original post by Zürich
Again, it's largely a recent thing. In the late 70s there were a few players transfered controvertially and a few high profile FA cup games but nothing like a proper rivalry. However, in the late 90s to mid naughties you had Arsenal/Utd going toe to toe in some fierce battles that all remember very well so you can say that a rivalry formed. However, it's largely gone now as the managers/players have long gone to its reverted to what it was, a mild animosity.
Utd are a bit of a joke now and have been for over a decade. People have started to forget how much they hated them
but surely they will return sooner or later, they're just too rich not to be hated!
Long term rivalries come from locality. Liverpool and Utd are fierce rivals even though Liverpool couldnt lay a glove on Utd for 30 years and they always will be. Spurs/Chelsea would be considered Arsenal's biggest rivals by some distance.
The big rivalry in Germany is of course BVB/Schalke but Schalke are now looking at 3rd division. Cologne/Leverkusen is another of course, although very one sided as Leverkusen are pretty boring.

Well Liverpool's rivals should be Everton and Man Utd's should be Man City. But historically they weren't seen as particularly big because Everton/Man City were so much weaker than Liverpool/Man Utd.

The strongest rivals need that competitive element to it. We only talk about Arsenal/Spurs moreso now because Spurs have been good for the last decade and Arsenal's level dropped for a while.
Reply 86
Original post by Zerforax
Well Liverpool's rivals should be Everton and Man Utd's should be Man City. But historically they weren't seen as particularly big because Everton/Man City were so much weaker than Liverpool/Man Utd.
The strongest rivals need that competitive element to it. We only talk about Arsenal/Spurs moreso now because Spurs have been good for the last decade and Arsenal's level dropped for a while.

It's to do with people you come into contact with. If you live in places like Enfield, Muswell Hill, Crouch End then its basically 60/40 Arsenal/Spurs and people just feel the rivalry on a weekly basis with people they interact with. It's a rivalry mainly for that reason. But yes the gap was huge 1997-2010 and it was pretty one sided with distain from Arsenal and a huge inferiority complex from Spurs. Last 15 years its been more even surely.

The thing with Utd/Liverpool is that their fanbases are split fairly even in many countries. I was in Ireland a few years ago watching the game in a pub an dwas struck with how split down the middle the support was. Same in Norway, Denmark,US, Sweden, Asia I gather.


Dortmund/Bayern will never have this issue since BVB dont have much of a fanbase beyond Germany and within Germany is very localised to a region. So its a flash in the pan from Jurgen Klopp's era and not any kind of deep rooted rivalry. Heavily marketed by the Bundesliga in an attempt to hype up a fixture, any fixture, for understandable reasons. In Germany, the true sleeping giant are Hamburg which is a very wealthy city with a huge fanbase and history. Also the North vs South thing going on. But Hamburg are about as pitiful a club as any, and I personally dont wish them any luck at all as their fanbase is quite "asosical" as they say in Germany and the last thing they need is any kind of success. Your typical HSV fan is overweight, balding, wearing a leather jacket, drunk at 10am on match days and more likely to be arrested for some kind of chanting.Same with lots of clubs in Germany actually with possible exception of Union Berlin.
(edited 10 months ago)
Reply 87
Original post by Zürich
It's to do with people you come into contact with. If you live in places like Enfield, Muswell Hill, Crouch End then its basically 60/40 Arsenal/Spurs and people just feel the rivalry on a weekly basis with people they interact with. It's a rivalry mainly for that reason. But yes the gap was huge 1997-2010 and it was pretty one sided with distain from Arsenal and a huge inferiority complex from Spurs. Last 15 years its been more even surely.
The thing with Utd/Liverpool is that their fanbases are split fairly even in many countries. I was in Ireland a few years ago watching the game in a pub an dwas struck with how split down the middle the support was. Same in Norway, Denmark,US, Sweden, Asia I gather.
Dortmund/Bayern will never have this issue since BVB dont have much of a fanbase beyond Germany and within Germany is very localised to a region. So its a flash in the pan from Jurgen Klopp's era and not any kind of deep rooted rivalry. Heavily marketed by the Bundesliga in an attempt to hype up a fixture, any fixture, for understandable reasons. In Germany, the true sleeping giant are Hamburg which is a very wealthy city with a huge fanbase and history. Also the North vs South thing going on. But Hamburg are about as pitiful a club as any, and I personally dont wish them any luck at all as their fanbase is quite "asosical" as they say in Germany and the last thing they need is any kind of success. Your typical HSV fan is overweight, balding, wearing a leather jacket, drunk at 10am on match days and more likely to be arrested for some kind of chanting.Same with lots of clubs in Germany actually with possible exception of Union Berlin.

Interesting that you talk about locality but then discuss overseas fans - who typically have nothing to do with the location/proximity.
Reply 88
Original post by Zerforax
Interesting that you talk about locality but then discuss overseas fans - who typically have nothing to do with the location/proximity.

Well just in terms of Liverpool/Manchester being different cities so not quite a "local derby" in the same sense of Liverpool/Everton as you yourself brought up

You can get these feelings abroad when you have a density of supporters of two teams fairly evenly matched. But this is why for instance, Arsenal/Spurs wouldnt be particularly fierce in say Texas because the ratio of Arsenal/Spurs fans is probably 4:1. The bottom line is ultimately that local rivalries can not be learned by foreign fans. They can imagine they feel some kind of emotional reaction but it is just that, an approximation. In the same way that an Ikea wardrobe approximates a hardwood antique wardrobe from the Portobello Market. Why a LFC fan from Singapore would feel a particular dislike for Everton I really find hard to even believe. if they want to cosplay then fine I guess. Utd I can understand since their peer group will be split 50/50 Utd/Liverpool so I buy it

So rivalries can be local or just between big teams abroad, as I said.
(edited 10 months ago)
Reply 89
Leverkusen are one win away from winning the title!
Leverkusen are one win away from winning the title!


newsflash: they did it! Leverkusen finally became the champion. After 11 years Bayern was finally beaten and replaced in an impressive way. Congratulations, well deserved. And the team did it against Werder Bremen, of all the teams in Bundesliga, my favorite one!
Reply 91
Original post by username5445420
2023
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 11th successive Bundesliga title.
2024
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 12th successive Bundesliga title.
2025
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 13th successive Bundesliga title.
2026
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 14th successive Bundesliga title.
2027
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 15th successive Bundesliga title.
2028
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 16th successive Bundesliga title.
2029
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 17th successive Bundesliga title.
2030
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 18th successive Bundesliga title.
2031
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 19th successive Bundesliga title.
2032
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 20th successive Bundesliga title.
2033
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 21st successive Bundesliga title.
2034
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 22nd successive Bundesliga title.
2035
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 23rd successive Bundesliga title.
2036
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 24th successive Bundesliga title.
2037
Dear FC Bayern Munich,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your 25th successive Bundesliga title.
@8013 I think it's genuinely safe to say that this could occur for an extremely long time.

2024

Dear Bayer 04 Leverkusen,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your first ever Bundesliga title.

You managed an unprecedented feat of going unbeaten for 29 league games since the start of the season. As you took the lead you never looked back, and many performances this season, such as the many last minute wins and the 3-0 win over 11-time defending champions Bayern Munich, show your dominance this season and your fighting spirit.

Once again, my sincere congratulations on your triumph, as it's not easy waiting 30 years for silverware and putting the scars of 2002 behind as you get this league title. All the best of luck for the rest of the season.
Reply 92
Bayer Leverkusen have done well to shrug off their "Bayer Neverkusen" tag.

Before this title win, they had only ever won one DFB-Pokal and one UEFA cup trophy in their history..

And it's not even like Bayern Munich imploded. Bayer Leverkusen's points tally is really impressive. 77 to 84 points is around the average that Bayern Munich were hitting in the past decade (some 90s and 71s thrown in there) so its not like Leverkusen limped to a low league points total to win the title!
Reply 93
Leverkusen with another super late goal to keep their unbeaten season going! It's pretty mental.

I don't think even Bayern Munich have gone a whole season unbeaten before.. Only 4 league games to go.
Reply 94
2024

Dear Bayer 04 Leverkusen,
Please accept my heartiest congratulations on your first ever Bundesliga title.

You managed an unprecedented feat of going unbeaten for the entire league season, which shows that no one has toppled you, making you deserved winners of this title. As you took the lead you never looked back, and many performances this season, such as the many last minute wins and equalisers and the 3-0 win over 11-time defending champions Bayern Munich, show your dominance this season and your fighting spirit to achieve your goals.

Once again, my sincere congratulations on your triumph, done in the most incredible way with a historic season. All the best of luck next season.
Stuttgart sneaking into second as well :awesome:

Quick Reply