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Mechanics Newton’s 3rd law

I have this question that I’ve been stuck on for a while and I’m clueless on how to work it out and why I got it wrong I’ll post the question and my failed attempt below
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Original post by A0W0N
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For the 3 kg particle, T = 3 a (not T = 3g which is what you have effectively used) The 3 g is vertical so not included in a horizontal equation (whoops, sorry if you rerad my first version)
So combine this with 7g - T = 7a
(edited 3 years ago)
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Original post by A0W0N
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hi i would have resolved the forces in the direction of motion of particles giving 2 equations ,one for each particle and solve for acceleration
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For the diagram:
- For the 3 kg mass, the weight is directed towards the Earth so you need the weight 3g downwards,
- For the 7 kg mass, the acceleration is downwards.

A good strategy here is to resolve each mass separately then use simultaneous equations to remove T (tension of the string) and to find a (acceleration).
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Original post by tiny hobbit
For the 3 kg particle, T = 3 a (not T = 3g which is what you have effectively used) The 3 g is vertical so not included in a horizontal equation (whoops, sorry if you rerad my first version)
So combine this with 7g - T = 7a

i put that in and it said it was wrong
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Original post by simon0
For the diagram:
- For the 3 kg mass, the weight is directed towards the Earth so you need the weight 3g downwards,
- For the 7 kg mass, the acceleration is downwards.

A good strategy here is to resolve each mass separately then use simultaneous equations to remove T (tension of the string) and to find a (acceleration).

how do i remove the tension, the tension has to be equal on both sides so the string doesn't rip but is it 7g or 3?
Reply 8
Original post by A0W0N
how do i remove the tension, the tension has to be equal on both sides so the string doesn't rip but is it 7g or 3?

@tiny hobbit's equations of motion are correct.

HINT: Treat as simultaneous equations: (T) + (7g - T) = 3a + 7a.
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Original post by A0W0N
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You have a force of the weight of the 7Kg mass, and a mass of 7+3 Kg to accelerate. F=ma. Done.
Original post by A0W0N
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For the 3Kg mass (I don't see where that 3g force comes from - it doesn't exist):
T=3aT=3a

Now resolve vertically for the 7Kg mass, to get a second equation.

Solve for a (Hint use the first equation to remove T from the second).
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Original post by RogerOxon
For the 3Kg mass (I don't see where that 3g force comes from - it doesn't exist):
T=3aT=3a

Now resolve vertically for the 7Kg mass, to get a second equation.

Solve for a (Hint use the first equation to remove T from the second).

I got it thanks
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ive been stuck in this for a while and an't have a clue what i did wrong
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Reply 12
Original post by A0W0N
I got it thanks
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ive been stuck in this for a while and an't have a clue what i did wrong
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For the diagram, the 60 kg mass is accelerating downwards by 2 m/s^2 and the x kg mass is accelerating upwards.

For your first line of calculation, best to resolve downwards (as there are lack of forces acting sideways). Also, the weight is not 60 but 60g.

Your second line of calcuation does not make sense.
- Resolve upwards or downwards for this mass,
- The weight is not x, it is xg.
Resolving upwards you should have: T - xg = -xa, where a is the acceleration.

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Does this help? :smile:
(edited 3 years ago)
Reply 13
Original post by simon0
For the diagram, the 60 kg mass is accelerating downwards by 2 m/s^2 and the x kg mass is accelerating upwards.

For your first line of calculation, best to resolve downwards (as there are lack of forces acting sideways). Also, the weight is not 60 but 60g.

Your second line of calcuation does not make sense.
- Resolve upwards or downwards for this mass,
- The weight is not x, it is xg.
Resolving upwards you should have: T - xg = -xa, where a is the acceleration.

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Does this help? :smile:

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what have i done wrong here?
Reply 14
Original post by A0W0N
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what have i done wrong here?

Do these questions tell you what value to use for g e.g. 10 or 9.8 or something else?

Also, you've posted this in two different threads - can you just use one as it's very confusing!!
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Original post by davros
Do these questions tell you what value to use for g e.g. 10 or 9.8 or something else?

Also, you've posted this in two different threads - can you just use one as it's very confusing!!

sorry about that, im told it is 9.8
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Original post by A0W0N
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what have i done wrong here?

Hi, the algebraic manipulation needs looking at here.

Up to line:
Unparseable latex formula:

\displystyle 468 = 2x + xg

,

is fine but some of the next few lines do not make sense (where they are not equivalent to each other).

For example, as stated earlier, you had:
Unparseable latex formula:

\displystyle 468 = 2x + xg,

the next line you have written is:
Unparseable latex formula:

\displystyle 234 = x + xg,



where you have attempted to divide by 2, but the result should be:

234=x+g2x. \displaystyle 234 = x + \frac{g}{2}x.
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Reply 17
Another anomaly:

234=x+xg 234 = x + xg , is not equivalent to 234g=2x, \displaystyle \frac{234}{g} = 2x ,

since on the left: x = 21.67 (to 2 d.p.), on the right: x = 11.938 ... .
(edited 3 years ago)

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