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I can't hold down a conversation in a civilized setting

I've never been much good at conversing, especially with girls, which is why I joined a drinking society at university, so I could get drunk myself, talk to drunk girls and get laid. While taking the romance out of things, it didn't require thinking up witty one-liners, being charming and generally coming off as a well-rounded man. Now I've left that scene, I just can't seem to talk to girls and the high ranking people I'm supposed to engage with professionally.

Sure, when I'm back home in the UK I can go down the pub and joke around with the simple minded pub men and play tennis or go on runs with my university/ school friends and I do fine. But without being plastered and "bantering" girls, of who in the past 90% would walk away while the other 10% would end up pulling me, I can't seem to get anywhere. That's because in California everyone has to drive everywhere, so getting drunk on a night out at a bar isn't really an option, and if you do get drunk (carpooling of course), the blonde beach babes sipping on their mojitos will look at you like an idiot--not even the English accent can get you out of that one. In the end I just falter, there are awkward silences, and I'm closed out. I look like a socially awkward geek.

The reason for this, I believe, is my highly restricted range of conversational topics. I realized just today that I have five topics of conversation 1) Boxing. 2) What a slag my ex girlfriend is. 3) English, French, Spanish and Argentine Football 4) Diet, nutrition and working out. 5) Late 20th century US political and cultural history.

This limited range is causing trouble in my work life as well. Today I was at a cocktail party, which I knew was likely to be boring, but turned out to be mind numbingly so. But I was expected to be there and to at least make small talk. Everyone else seemed so adept at this, seamlessly moving from group to group, mingling with people they hadn't spoken to before. But with me there were awkward silences and I just couldn't fill them. I got more and more agitated, worrying that they would think me boring, socially awkward, or intense. So I did my best but came off a complete knob. For instance, I was introduced to a rather attractive bird who'd worked at the place before I arrived and all I could think was, "You're fit, so fit" and ended up blubbering something like, "So, you think Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound the best ever?" and she was like, "I don't really know who that is, sorry." And my boss just smiled and said, "Bret really likes his boxing. I bet he could tell you how many grams of fat are in that salmon appetizer too." I could have done, but refrained.

Basically, girls don't want to know about any of the above topics (I lost a girl I was seeing because I kept mentioning my ex's sexual past) and neither do my colleagues (unless they, too, are historians and we're at a conference). I need to know how to move beyond them in a social setting while remaining sober and polite. Do you think I have OCD or something which keeps me from thinking about other things, and has anyone else had similar problems with social interaction and awkwardness which threaten not only relationships and potential relationships, but career prospects?

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Reply 1
"So, you think Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound the best ever?"

I would say Sugar Ray Robinson or Henry Armstrong,myself.
You have my sympathies.... :frown:
Reply 2
You got Conversation Stopper Number 2 right, son.
Reply 3
I can't hold much of a conversation myself. I really hate small talk and I don't like people that much either.
You just need practise - small talk is a skill and it doesn't sound like it's one you've ever had to use. It's why people shouldn't join the drinking society at university to be honest!

It'll be fine after you've made some c*ck ups and practised a bit :smile:
You are amazing.
bret
For instance, I was introduced to a rather attractive bird who'd worked at the place before I arrived and all I could think was, "You're fit, so fit" and ended up blubbering something like, "So, you think Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound the best ever?" and she was like, "I don't really know who that is, sorry." And my boss just smiled and said, "Bret really likes his boxing. I bet he could tell you how many grams of fat are in that salmon appetizer too." I could have done, but refrained.
Great.
Reply 7
Your career requires attending history conferences and working the room at cocktail parties? Are you CEO of a textbook publishing company or something?
how about reading a daily newspaper? try and remember a few interesting stories each day and chat about them at parties/get-togethers.

it might also help if you refrained from anything sex-related, ex-related (nobody's interested, seriously), drink-related, anything to do with belief systems, sports, negative comments on other people's looks and politics.

a good idea is to ask (polite) questions about the person you're interacting with: where are you from, what/where did you study, what's your opinion on x, what are your hobbies and the classic is to let them tell you everything about their (adorable) children and look at the photos.

that might sound terribly boring, but it'll make you more likeable and that's all that really matters, isn't it?

it might also help if you got yourself interested in more "american" topics like baseball and stuff like that (for talking with men).
Reply 9
I'm terrible at this too, my current solution is to aim the conversation in their direction, pushing them to talk about themselves. I find a lot of people get bored if you talk about yourself, especially if you don't share the same interests, so this keeps them happy. Can be very tiresome, but atleast its only for a limited time (I don't do this with people I know)
Reply 10
well if she doesn't know who Floyd Mayweather is you could've said anything. dappy tart.
joke ¬¬
Reply 11
cheese_fondue
how about reading a daily newspaper? try and remember a few interesting stories each day and chat about them at parties/get-togethers.

it might also help if you refrained from anything sex-related, ex-related (nobody's interested, seriously), drink-related, anything to do with belief systems, sports, negative comments on other people's looks and politics.

a good idea is to ask (polite) questions about the person you're interacting with: where are you from, what/where did you study, what's your opinion on x, what are your hobbies and the classic is to let them tell you everything about their (adorable) children and look at the photos.

that might sound terribly boring, but it'll make you more likeable and that's all that really matters, isn't it?

it might also help if you got yourself interested in more "american" topics like baseball and stuff like that (for talking with men).


Some good tips there. The girl did actually say she'd left the workplace to have a kid, so I should have asked her about that. The trouble was, the party was quite loud, even though it was a fairly sober affair, so I couldn't exactly hear what she was saying. Also, the conversation was made more awkward by the fact I was introduced to her by my boss though he stepped back as if to say, "you two should talk." About what? Everyone else seems so able to and so interested in making small talk, and my big talk is everyone else's nothing talk, so I guess I have to follow suit.
Reply 12
Arka
"So, you think Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound the best ever?"

I would say Sugar Ray Robinson or Henry Armstrong,myself.
You have my sympathies.... :frown:


Depends on what you mean by best. It was just a conversation starter. I'd say Sugar Ray was the most entertaining fighter of any weight, but would say Floyd is technically perfect.
I tell you how I do it. I also had problems with it, but after some time, it seems I like mastered it and I love it now ! I mean the stupid aspects of it, and how easily you can feel goodl lol! And dont worry almost everybody when leaving such small talk, no matter how good it went thinks that you are a moron ! And it's beauitful.

You must have more self-cofidence, before chatting flash your teeth really broadly and then it goes easier ! As they smile back and make you feel at ease ! If there is some food to grab say : "ohh that's nice, is it an American dish?" "ohhh, you see I can only cook frozen pizza.. but sometimes I can suprise my friend's with bakes rice" (or whatever, sorry I dont know I dont cook!). You can also ask "How about you ? You seem to be a person that is great at cooking !" and she will most likely ask "what makes you think so?" to what you answer "ohhh, dont take me wrong, not in a stereotypical way, of the place of the woman is in the kitchen, more like, you seem to be quite gentle, caring about a hosehold".

YOU see ! That's how it goes ! It's a lof of fun, once you learn how to do it, and you should also practice it ! Dont worry, with time it will get better, also dont take it SO seriously ! They worry about the exactly the same things, they just dont show it.
Dunno but I can usually pass of that I know what I am talking about with customers half the time.....guess it's a skill at the end of the day.
Should start off talking more generic topics rather than assuming everyone knows what you know.

Could ask them:

How they are?

How they like the party so far?

What sector they work in?

Do they enjoy it?

How long have they worked there?



When I meet someone for the 1st time I'd usually talk about the reason I'm there in the first place for a while and then the conversation usually just moves on to other subjects without me even realising.

Try not to stress about it too much, I have no-idea how many 'conversational topics' I have but I still manage to be successfull in small talk!

Be confident and try to enjoy yourself a bit more! :smile:
Reply 16
I usually get tired of the usual questions, especially during freshers' week etc - "What are you studying? Where are you staying?" etc. I like questions like "raspberry jam or marmelade" to start conversations with strangers. Then I talk incessantly about music.

A good one is "How much does a polar bear weigh?"
"I don't know, but enough to break the ice"
TomQMU
I usually get tired of the usual questions, especially during freshers' week etc - "What are you studying? Where are you staying?" etc. I like questions like "raspberry jam or marmelade" to start conversations with strangers. Then I talk incessantly about music.

A good one is "How much does a polar bear weigh?"
"I don't know, but enough to break the ice"

lol :p:
Reply 18
bret
I've never been much good at conversing, especially with girls, which is why I joined a drinking society at university, so I could get drunk myself, talk to drunk girls and get laid. While taking the romance out of things, it didn't require thinking up witty one-liners, being charming and generally coming off as a well-rounded man. Now I've left that scene, I just can't seem to talk to girls and the high ranking people I'm supposed to engage with professionally.

Sure, when I'm back home in the UK I can go down the pub and joke around with the simple minded pub men and play tennis or go on runs with my university/ school friends and I do fine. But without being plastered and "bantering" girls, of who in the past 90% would walk away while the other 10% would end up pulling me, I can't seem to get anywhere. That's because in California everyone has to drive everywhere, so getting drunk on a night out at a bar isn't really an option, and if you do get drunk (carpooling of course), the blonde beach babes sipping on their mojitos will look at you like an idiot--not even the English accent can get you out of that one. In the end I just falter, there are awkward silences, and I'm closed out. I look like a socially awkward geek.

The reason for this, I believe, is my highly restricted range of conversational topics. I realized just today that I have five topics of conversation 1) Boxing. 2) What a slag my ex girlfriend is. 3) English, French, Spanish and Argentine Football 4) Diet, nutrition and working out. 5) Late 20th century US political and cultural history.

This limited range is causing trouble in my work life as well. Today I was at a cocktail party, which I knew was likely to be boring, but turned out to be mind numbingly so. But I was expected to be there and to at least make small talk. Everyone else seemed so adept at this, seamlessly moving from group to group, mingling with people they hadn't spoken to before. But with me there were awkward silences and I just couldn't fill them. I got more and more agitated, worrying that they would think me boring, socially awkward, or intense. So I did my best but came off a complete knob. For instance, I was introduced to a rather attractive bird who'd worked at the place before I arrived and all I could think was, "You're fit, so fit" and ended up blubbering something like, "So, you think Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound the best ever?" and she was like, "I don't really know who that is, sorry." And my boss just smiled and said, "Bret really likes his boxing. I bet he could tell you how many grams of fat are in that salmon appetizer too." I could have done, but refrained.

Basically, girls don't want to know about any of the above topics (I lost a girl I was seeing because I kept mentioning my ex's sexual past) and neither do my colleagues (unless they, too, are historians and we're at a conference). I need to know how to move beyond them in a social setting while remaining sober and polite. Do you think I have OCD or something which keeps me from thinking about other things, and has anyone else had similar problems with social interaction and awkwardness which threaten not only relationships and potential relationships, but career prospects?


You should compile all your posts into a book.
Reply 19
KwungSun
Your career requires attending history conferences and working the room at cocktail parties? Are you CEO of a textbook publishing company or something?


Ha, something along those lines, yes. I teach at a university to pay the bills while writing a novel along with some shorter historical pieces. It's a prestigious university and we get mid-level diplomats and suchlike in all the time for parties and small speaker events. It's like, I know exactly what you do, who you work for, what your lifestyle choices are most likely to be--as you do about me--so let's cut the crap and talk about important issues such as boxing, my ex, football, bench presses or the 1960s cultural schism. I realize this sounds stupid and a little arrogant, but I'm of the opinion that we were given seven or so decades of this life not to ponce around but to actually enjoy ourselves and learn from each other on a level more profound than simply whether we all enjoy the beef pate.