Starmer-most competent opposition leader since Blair?

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Thoughts? I certainly think so
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Thoughts? I certainly think so
He is good yes, although whatever you thought of Cameron as a PM he was also a very good opposition leader so I would say since Cameron.
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Define competent? Brown was certainly competent if not overly popular.
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Thoughts? I certainly think so
I like him, yes. The dry, forensic and legalistic approach certainly works in cutting through Boris' comedy act of bluster and vagueness, particularly at the moment where this terrible government needs holding to account. It's not going to work long-term though, and we need a bit more bloodthirstiness from him. It was nice to see a hint of that yesterday.

All in all, I think it's a very promising start. Finally this government might have to accept that it doesn't exist as some autocratic executive, and can't just act like it's above scrutiny and criticism.
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At least unlike Jeremy Corbyn he is an opposition leader in more than name.

We will find out better once the pandemic is over.
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Define competent? Brown was certainly competent if not overly popular.
Brown was never Leader of the Opposition
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He is good yes, although whatever you thought of Cameron as a PM he was also a very good opposition leader so I would say since Cameron.
Forgot about Cameron for some reason, but agreed
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I like him, yes. The dry, forensic and legalistic approach certainly works in cutting through Boris' comedy act of bluster and vagueness, particularly at the moment where this terrible government needs holding to account. It's not going to work long-term though, and we need a bit more bloodthirstiness from him. It was nice to see a hint of that yesterday.

All in all, I think it's a very promising start. Finally this government might have to accept that it doesn't exist as some autocratic executive, and can't just act like it's above scrutiny and criticism.
Could not have said this better myself 👏🏼
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Define competent? Brown was certainly competent if not overly popular.
Brown was never LotO
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I like him, yes. The dry, forensic and legalistic approach certainly works in cutting through Boris' comedy act of bluster and vagueness, particularly at the moment where this terrible government needs holding to account. It's not going to work long-term though, and we need a bit more bloodthirstiness from him. It was nice to see a hint of that yesterday.

All in all, I think it's a very promising start. Finally this government might have to accept that it doesn't exist as some autocratic executive, and can't just act like it's above scrutiny and criticism.
At Prime Minister's Questions he definitely holds his own against Boris and you can see the latter on the ropes for most of the exchanges. Yesterday he waffled through most of it and even managed to attack Starmer for doing his job; holding the government to account where necessary.

I reckon we will see less consensus and more bloodthirstiness as time goes on where more issues arising from the economic effects of coronavirus will become apparent.

Absolutely, its impressive to have faith in the opposite side once again. I'm more inclined towards the Tories (used to be Lab before Corbyn) but am seriously considering rejoining Labour if Starmer continues like this; glad to have a serious alternative that might arguably be the real change we need.
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agree
if there was an election this week we would have a very different government imo
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I like him, yes. The dry, forensic and legalistic approach certainly works in cutting through Boris' comedy act of bluster and vagueness, particularly at the moment where this terrible government needs holding to account. It's not going to work long-term though, and we need a bit more bloodthirstiness from him. It was nice to see a hint of that yesterday.

All in all, I think it's a very promising start. Finally this government might have to accept that it doesn't exist as some autocratic executive, and can't just act like it's above scrutiny and criticism.
One of Starmer's challenges is very much this "oil and water" difference with Boris. His forensic approach will win a lot of points, but in the end will it result in any damage to Boris's ability to appeal to the voters?
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One of Starmer's challenges is very much this "oil and water" difference with Boris. His forensic approach will win a lot of points, but in the end will it result in any damage to Boris's ability to appeal to the voters?
I think after this and the Cummings incident, Boris' reputation will be considerably weakened. Starmer has a lot to do before even thinking of getting the keys to No.10, but I'm sure his appeal will rise when the North see the Tories having to go back on their manifesto commitments to rectify the damage, i.e tax increases or ending things like the fuel duty freeze..
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I think after this and the Cummings incident, Boris' reputation will be considerably weakened. Starmer has a lot to do before even thinking of getting the keys to No.10, but I'm sure his appeal will rise when the North see the Tories having to go back on their manifesto commitments to rectify the damage, i.e tax increases or ending things like the fuel duty freeze..
Quite possibly, but the election is most likely a long way off
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Quite possibly, but the election is most likely a long way off
do you think Boris would lose a vote of no confidence yet? I know the rest of the UK find him stupid right now but I wonder whether this is mirrored inside his party
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do you think Boris would lose a vote of no confidence yet? I know the rest of the UK find him stupid right now but I wonder whether this is mirrored inside his party
No chance at all. Zero.
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agree
if there was an election this week we would have a very different government imo
The polling doesn't agree with you on that one.
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Michael Howard was excellent as LoTo- admittedly he took over from The Quiet Man and anyone would look good compared to him. Starmer hasn't been in post long enough yet to tell.

(I voted for IDS in 2001 over Ken Clarke purely over Europe. In hindsight, he was a poor choice but did lay the groundwork for Dave and his hug a hoodie, help the huskies stuff).
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Thoughts? I certainly think so
I'd say Cameron was better for sure. Also I think Miliband was better at PMQs
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No chance at all. Zero.
Yeah lol wtf

I don't think people realise that the last few years of instability were genuinely abnormal. Prime Ministers who just won a majority of 80, as a rule, don't lose confidence
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