Women got lower sentences than men for the same crime

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https://www.suffragents.org/women-and-jail
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...dnt-be-either/
http://www.ifeminists.com/introducti...002/0423a.html
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Another example of how sexism and traditional gender perceptions also affect men. See also: family courts, stigmatisation of SAHDs and house husbands, male mental health.
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Some criminal court judges openly admit that they won't ever send a woman to prison for a first time offence or even pre-meditated violence with prior convictions.
Even if the crime involved a weapon, resulted in serious injuries requiring extensive medical treatment and all male co-defendants will go to prison.
Other judges will only impose short imprisonment sentences that will have minimal disruption upon the woman's studies or career history and will quickly become spent avoiding the need to disclose to future employers.

That said plenty of women are very calculating and able to easily manipulate perceptions of their appearance/personality.
More skilled than most men at convincing people who don't know them that they are remorseful, pitiable, sweet or gentle innocents that are the victim of the circumstances.
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Some criminal court judges openly admit that they won't ever send a woman to prison for a first time offence or even pre-meditated violence with prior convictions.
Even if the crime involved a weapon, resulted in serious injuries requiring extensive medical treatment and all male co-defendants will go to prison.
Other judges will only impose short imprisonment sentences that will have minimal disruption upon the woman's studies or career history and will quickly become spent avoiding the need to disclose to future employers.

That said plenty of women are very calculating and able to easily manipulate perceptions of their appearance/personality.
More skilled than most men at convincing people who don't know them that they are remorseful, pitiable, sweet or gentle innocents that are the victim of the circumstances.
I recently was reading a couple of books on the prison system, one by a director who got tossed in the clink and another by a woman who worked in one of the female jails. Both of them touched on this point.
Although, strangely enough, the lady went quite a bit further in noting that most women shouldnt be sent to jail for their crimes as it 'wasnt their fault'.. an intriguing readings of the fact if ever there was one :lol:
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Some criminal court judges openly admit that they won't ever send a woman to prison for a first time offence or even pre-meditated violence with prior convictions.
Even if the crime involved a weapon, resulted in serious injuries requiring extensive medical treatment and all male co-defendants will go to prison.
Other judges will only impose short imprisonment sentences that will have minimal disruption upon the woman's studies or career history and will quickly become spent avoiding the need to disclose to future employers.

That said plenty of women are very calculating and able to easily manipulate perceptions of their appearance/personality.
More skilled than most men at convincing people who don't know them that they are remorseful, pitiable, sweet or gentle innocents that are the victim of the circumstances.
Females do look better in court than males in term of the why they look so it hard for judge to believe they did the thing they have been change with. If most be hard for male judge to see that women can be just as violent as men a female judge would know that women are calculating and give higher sentences.
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Aren’t there far more women in prison for petty crimes like failure to pay council tax or tv license?
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Aren’t there far more women in prison for petty crimes like failure to pay council tax or tv license?
There are just as many men in prison for petty crime and men who do petty crime get longer sentence than women. Most people are in prison for petty crime and are non violent crime whatever gender.
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In all fairness the world would resemble the garden of Eden, if men offended at the same rate as women. I think we can spare them the luxury of less prison time on the rare occasion they do break the law particularly for a non violent crime. Not exactly fare but I'm not losing much sleep over this 'injustice' as a man.
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Is it illegal to discriminate based on gender in this instance? Or is not discrimination as the 2 crimes are inherently not the same?
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Privilege.
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This often occurs because the woman is the principal caregiver in the family and thus if you send a woman to prison, you are causing hardship for children and any other dependants she may be the principal caregiver for. Basically this gender sentencing difference stems from a wider gender issue.

Those of you saying it's unfair are inadvertently calling for greater equality more broadly. If women are treated more equally in society, then they will be treated more equally in criminal matters too.
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This often occurs because the woman is the principal caregiver in the family and thus if you send a woman to prison, you are causing hardship for children and any other dependants she may be the principal caregiver for. Basically this gender sentencing difference stems from a wider gender issue.

Those of you saying it's unfair are inadvertently calling for greater equality more broadly. If women are treated more equally in society, then they will be treated more equally in criminal matters too.
Western women have gained incredible equality over the last 50-60 years to become amongst the most privileged in Western society, yet we haven’t seen any change in how they are dealt criminally compared to men.

Denying this not only makes you incredibly disingenuous, it also undermines the incredible progress that has been made for equality.

Men are usually the principle breadwinner of the family, if you send a man to jail you’re 1) causing hardship for his children and 2) putting more pressure on his wife.
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Things like this show that, in some ways, women - in the West - have more/better rights than men. God god forbid you being this up, and modern day feminists lose it. I'm glad women have the rights they deserve, but it's time men were treated the same in other ways.
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Things like this show that, in some ways, women - in the West - have more/better rights than men. God god forbid you being this up, and modern day feminists lose it. I'm glad women have the rights they deserve, but it's time men were treated the same in other ways.
How dare you! REEEEEEEEEE!

Modern feminists are hypocrites, especially the ‘intersectional’ sort.
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Western women have gained incredible equality over the last 50-60 years to become amongst the most privileged in Western society, yet we haven’t seen any change in how they are dealt criminally compared to men.

Denying this not only makes you incredibly disingenuous, it also undermines the incredible progress that has been made for equality.

Men are usually the principle breadwinner of the family, if you send a man to jail you’re 1) causing hardship for his children and 2) putting more pressure on his wife.
Indeed, incredible progress has been made, but we are not fully there yet.
Exactly, these conceptions of gender are harmful to all.
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Of course women get lighter sentences.

Sentencing takes into account aggravating/mitigating circumstances and number of previous convictions. That is going to favour women but that isn't sexism.

To look at headline statistics and assume it is down to sexism shows you are either blinded by your gender identity politics or are statistically illerate.
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Yes.
Some criminal court judges openly admit that they won't ever send a woman to prison for a first time offence or even pre-meditated violence with prior convictions.
Even if the crime involved a weapon, resulted in serious injuries requiring extensive medical treatment and all male co-defendants will go to prison.
Other judges will only impose short imprisonment sentences that will have minimal disruption upon the woman's studies or career history and will quickly become spent avoiding the need to disclose to future employers.

That said plenty of women are very calculating and able to easily manipulate perceptions of their appearance/personality.
More skilled than most men at convincing people who don't know them that they are remorseful, pitiable, sweet or gentle innocents that are the victim of the circumstances.
Believe it or not but the problem with the sentencing gender gap is far, far bigger than criminal records, biological factors and discrimination by judges, motivated by chivalry.

Institutionalised feminism has in the past and continues to play a very significant role in causing this disparity. Here in the UK, it has for example recently changed the law as to make it much easier for women to commit murder and get away with murder. It has also changed the law as to make it near impossible for men to get away with violence, particularly where this violence is directed at women. I have a report written by the Crown Prosecution Service that used to be available online but was removed and is no longer accessible that openly admits to the system being designed in such a way as to be intentionally sexist against men in favour of women. The report celebrates this sexism and reinforces it and this is nothing.

People are clearly interested in these disparities that contradict institutionalised feminism and its notion of the patriarchy, that of us living in a world run by a system that is designed to benefit men to the detriment of women. I highly encourage people to read more on these topics. The things that you will uncover will shock you. These disparities are more the result of an organised effort by institutionalised feminism than they are the result of biological differences and discrimination resulting from chivalry.
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This often occurs because the woman is the principal caregiver in the family and thus if you send a woman to prison, you are causing hardship for children and any other dependants she may be the principal caregiver for. Basically this gender sentencing difference stems from a wider gender issue.

Those of you saying it's unfair are inadvertently calling for greater equality more broadly. If women are treated more equally in society, then they will be treated more equally in criminal matters too.
Most women in prison have had their children taken away 2/3 in fact. In most cases for the child when their mother in prison it the first time they not having deal with their nightmare mother. Also went males are the main caregiver their almost never given the same consideration.
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Same crime, same punishment.
Done.
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https://www.thelawproject.com.au/ins...e-legal-system

Even attractiveness comes into it. Good luck in court if you're ugly!
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