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I travelled to Africa on my own after uni, here is a post all about my experience: https://www.indialilyblogs.com/post/...-a-21-year-old
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White privilege is absolute nonsense, a term coined by people who have never worked a day in the gutters and back alleys of society, naive people. In the poorest of poor society (from where I come from) there is no discrimination, because we are all in the same boat, living hand to mouth in grubby flats. But the opportunities that are available to us are the same. That is until you hit the real discrimination barrier. I'm from Ireland, which is still under the boot heal of Britain, but I've never felt the need to kick off over it. My mother brought us over to London in search of a better life and we found ourselves back in abject poverty. My mum, when I was only little, was attacked 5 times by hooligans, blamed for IRA attacks just because she had an accent. We're not even from NI! She had her nose broken, her elbow broken, her arm fractured. So yes, white people have faced discrimination.

I applied 3 times to join the public services in a number of capacities, the first application expired because my 'security check' took so long whilst others I applied with progressed within a few weeks. The 2nd time I was told I didnt fit the criteria they were seeking because it was a BAME drive, even though the Irish are one of the smallest minorities in London. On the 3rd attempt after 2 years I finally got a job. White privilege is a myth and I have never experienced it.

For those who seem to have an obsession with going generations back in the past to find some historic hurt, the Irish were indentured, enslaved and shipped off before Africa was even fully discovered as a continent. We were also unable to use public toilets or bars or buses like black people. Its a load of rubbish to dwell on it and I'm glad the sensible section of the BAME community seem to be coming around to it.
I'm afraid you are wrong. You are looking at your own life and extrapolating it to everywhere. You may well be at the bottom of the pile but in some quarters the colour of your face still buys you a marginal advantage.

You may well encounter invisible barriers as an Irish person, I don't know. But that's the point. What has your colour or nationality got to do with anything?
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(Original post by Mustafa0605)
To be honest there’s some sort of privilege for the most common race/tribe in every country.
This.

White privilege is a white elephant in a way, it can exist for a moment if the sun reflects correctly but it's an illusion, same with white privilege it can exist but as soon as you strip it back you find things are not as they seem and mostly end up as wealth privilege.
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The real issue is including the word "Privilege" in the phrase. If it were called "White Bias" or maybe "White Concession" that would remove a lot of the emotion.
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The real issue is including the word "Privilege" in the phrase. If it were called "White Bias" or maybe "White Concession" that would remove a lot of the emotion.
It wouldn’t remove the bull **** though
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(Original post by Palazzo13)
The real issue is including the word "Privilege" in the phrase. If it were called "White Bias" or maybe "White Concession" that would remove a lot of the emotion.
Hear what you are saying but it still wouldn't make "white bias" a global truth would it? It's simply not true, its incorrect at its core. The truth would still be the truth, which would still be a bias for the most common race and within that, an advantage to those with greater wealth within that race. Colour/race has zero to do with it, as paul more bluntly puts it;
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It wouldn’t remove the bull **** though
He's not really wrong, is he?
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Hear what you are saying but it still wouldn't make "white bias" a global truth would it? It's simply not true, its incorrect at its core. The truth would still be the truth, which would still be a bias for the most common race and within that, an advantage to those with greater wealth within that race.
You are correct, and I'd agree with your broader assertion that different societies have different biases.

I'm only commenting on the semantics as I believe the word "privilege" is interpreted by most people in its most common usage, and that immediately riles up the white majority in the UK and gets in the way of rational discussions about the advantages/disadvantages of various groups and sections of society.

I believe "privilege" was adopted as a deliberately provocative term to encourage division - as with many areas of society, the groups that support minorities have a vested interest in maintaining the distinctions even as the society moves to bring people together.
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He's not really wrong, is he?
I just won’t accept people like Robyn DeAngelo and her I’m a racist so everyone else is bull ****.
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It's a fictional concept which is racist, logically incoherent, and dishonest. It assumes the lives of white people will never be difficult because of their race, which is wrong. Ever heard of affirmative action? Quotas? Anything else of the sort? Well, those discriminate against white people in favour of 'oppressed' groups.
Being on the receiving end of racism does not make someone who isn't on the receiving end privileged. Someone being unfortunate does not mean someone else is privileged.
That's your misinformed opinion Joseph. If you actually did your research you'll find it has nothing to do with claiming no white individual will experience difficulties. White privilege is being given better opportunities compared to other races, it doesn't mean that they don't have any difficulties. Do your research and educate yourself.
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Totally agreed. And with that it comes down to power privilage.

And then you start looking at demographics of where all the power and wealth lies and suddenly it turns back into white privilage again.
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(Original post by Benjerrys11)
That's your misinformed opinion Joseph. If you actually did your research you'll find it has nothing to do with claiming no white individual will experience difficulties. White privilege is being given better opportunities compared to other races, it doesn't mean that they don't have any difficulties. Do your research and educate yourself.
What a self righteous I'm correct because you are wrong post. You are not going to change peoples view points by telling them your are correct and they are uneducated and not explaining nothing in the process!

White privilege is derogatory and inaccurate simple and the only way you can make it legitimate os to then cross reverence it with developed majority white countries whom have benefited from left wing democratic socialist style polices,like the uk. It is quite simply wrong to put the group indenity above everything else that's a backwards way of thinking which is where prejudice is born. Maybe if supporters of this mythical race privilege used their education to make better arguments away from racially motivated slurs on peoples skin colour they would get better results?

The really is no such thing as white privilege, what the brainwashed middle class "liberal" (inverted commas used because of the irony of how illiberal they are) elite claim is white privilege is actually wealth privilege. Is anyone going to argue that an average baby born in the UK is more privileged that an average baby born in Pakistan? No I doubt it, because it's true, however that's nothing to do with their skin colour.

Ill use your debating skills fir a second, you might find if you actually travel and build your experiences white privilege really is a fallacious argument. I also find it rather amusing when neoliberables and other capitalists get all gooey and cooey about this facade of an argument they forget the system they support is the actual thing that really creates inequality in the first place :rolleyes:
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(Original post by Benjerrys11)
That's your misinformed opinion Joseph. If you actually did your research you'll find it has nothing to do with claiming no white individual will experience difficulties. White privilege is being given better opportunities compared to other races, it doesn't mean that they don't have any difficulties. Do your research and educate yourself.
This is simply a privilege of being in your native land. If you move to Japan, Japanese have privilege over you. If you move to Nigeria, Nigerians will be privileged over you.

When you decide to move to someone else's homeland you have tacitly accepted this tradeoff. Your children also carry part of this burden until they are fully integrated into the host culture. It's nothing to do with skin colour. I have more in common from a cultural standpoint with a 3rd generation black British person than a white Italian for instance.

The kind of people who spout white privilege theory are those who have barely set foot in a non white country. They don't realise that globally, white people are an extreme minority.
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(Original post by Benjerrys11)
That's your misinformed opinion Joseph. If you actually did your research you'll find it has nothing to do with claiming no white individual will experience difficulties. White privilege is being given better opportunities compared to other races, it doesn't mean that they don't have any difficulties. Do your research and educate yourself.
'misinformed opinion' my arse. You wokies love to tell people to do their research when you in fact have done none. In order for white privilege to exist, there needs to be recently documented incidents with proof wherein white people have benefited because of their skin colour as opposed to non-white people. I have seen few incidents of this, and they're not in the system; they're individual events.
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What does the term White privilege mean? That every white person does not have to work hard and they will be giving a house and given a good job.
White privilege refers to the fact that the average person in the UK (a white person) is statistically more successful than immigrant groups or their decedents (statistically poor in the UK). Apparently this is a bad thing caused by white oppression and we should ignore the fact that black people are usually poorer and that poorer folk are generally more likely to commit crime or that racial profiling really does reduce crime.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
White privilege refers to the fact that the average person in the UK (a white person) is statistically more successful than immigrant groups or their decedents (statistically poor in the UK). Apparently this is a bad thing caused by white oppression and we should ignore the fact that black people are usually poorer and that poorer folk are generally more likely to commit crime or that racial profiling really does reduce crime.
If you group all nine British together they do worse.
if they are chopped up into smaller groups some do better than the white British.
White privilege is leftist *******s and part of critical race theory which again is *******s
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If you group all nine British together they do worse.
if they are chopped up into smaller groups some do better than the white British.
White privilege is leftist *******s and part of critical race theory which again is *******s
It isnt a lefty thing mate it's a confusion thing! I honestly think people are getting more stupid, particularly on my side of the political spectrum, unfortunately.

There really isnt any such thing as white privilege that doesn't mean white people are not more privileged it means it's not directly because of their skin colour they are privileged. The left have always protected the vunderble poor from being exploited from the powerful wealthy, nowadays we have become lost in nonsense like this BS
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A few things to remember when actually thinking of 'white privilege':

  • With being a majority comes something obvious - having the feature most common in the majority in privilege. In Britain, if you're white, you're not privileged because most other people are white; you just have that in common. If the general or overall attitude among white British people was negative towards non-white British people, then being white would be a privilege. However, this idea of 'white privilege' assumes that higher forms of power are by default against non-white people. If this were the case, you would not have any ethnic minorities in power. Full stop.
  • Generational wealth is a thing and if previous generations of your family have a comfortable position in an area, then it'll be easier for them to provide your generation with things. A Syrian single mother refugee of four children will have an immensely difficult time settling down into British society and being financially comfortable. However, families whose previous generations were rich in one place will find it easier moving to Britain, e.g. a middle-class Arabian family, and providing for itself and its next generations.
  • Rich white families do not get everything handed to them. They may be able to afford private school, extra tutoring and have a strong network, but that doesn't mean they're just going to give it to their kids.
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^PRSOM.

If anything, the sentiment inculcated by the "higher ups" in Britain, and the elite circles, is against the country's ethnic majority.
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This is simply a privilege of being in your native land. If you move to Japan, Japanese have privilege over you. If you move to Nigeria, Nigerians will be privileged over you.

When you decide to move to someone else's homeland you have tacitly accepted this tradeoff. Your children also carry part of this burden until they are fully integrated into the host culture. It's nothing to do with skin colour. I have more in common from a cultural standpoint with a 3rd generation black British person than a white Italian for instance.

The kind of people who spout white privilege theory are those who have barely set foot in a non white country. They don't realise that globally, white people are an extreme minority.
Not only that, but that these attitudes are more prevalent elsewhere, and unlike the navel-gazing west, countries with non-white ethnic majorities don't sit there self-flagellating over it and making sure there's quotas to make sure all their boards are "representative" right down to the hundredth decimal point (or if one is feeling particularly self-righteous, in excess of that, at the expense of the native majority.)
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(Original post by Jebedee)
This is simply a privilege of being in your native land. If you move to Japan, Japanese have privilege over you. If you move to Nigeria, Nigerians will be privileged over you.

When you decide to move to someone else's homeland you have tacitly accepted this tradeoff. Your children also carry part of this burden until they are fully integrated into the host culture. It's nothing to do with skin colour. I have more in common from a cultural standpoint with a 3rd generation black British person than a white Italian for instance.

The kind of people who spout white privilege theory are those who have barely set foot in a non white country. They don't realise that globally, white people are an extreme minority.
Step foot in a non white country you say. well uighurs have privilege over white expats In China or maybe the Rhoyingas in Burma they probably have privilege over white expats as well🤔. Nigeria has over 300 ethnic tribes it’s basic to to have the western outlook that all countries have just one culture
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