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Though my profile picture may indicate otherwise, I genuinely applaud the New Labour government.

Half a million children lifted out of poverty, working-family tax credits, a National Minimum Wage, Human Rights Act introduction, Lords reform, devolution, and a raft of much needed public-sector investment - perhaps the most progressive and forward thinking government in my lifetime.
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Though my profile picture may indicate otherwise, I genuinely applaud the New Labour government.

Half a million children lifted out of poverty, working-family tax credits, a National Minimum Wage, Human Rights Act introduction, Lords reform, devolution, and a raft of much needed public-sector investment - perhaps the most progressive and forward thinking government in my lifetime.
I mean I'm a bit more towards the centre right myself, but those were all fantastic achievements; definitely the best government of my life so far.

Would also add the banning of handguns, Bank of England independence, banning landmines and signing of the Good Friday Agreement
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I mean I'm a bit more towards the centre right myself, but those were all fantastic achievements; definitely the best government of my life so far.

Would also add the banning of handguns, Bank of England independence, banning landmines and signing of the Good Friday Agreement
It's popular to chastise Tony Blair these days but I respect how he transformed the Labour Party into a force of electoral dominance. He'd certainly run rings about the charlatans that dominate the international stage these days!
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I have no strong opinions on it, from the Blair years right up until Brown I was a child/young teenager and didn't really care about politics
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It's popular to chastise Tony Blair these days but I respect how he transformed the Labour Party into a force of electoral dominance. He'd certainly run rings about the charlatans that dominate the international stage these days!
Absolutely, it's a shame that someone who achieved so much gets so little credit anymore. He would certainly have gravitas in today's world that's without a doubt.

Hopefully Starmer can recapture some of that magic; some signs that he is going in that direction
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I have no strong opinions on it, from the Blair years right up until Brown I was a child/young teenager and didn't really care about politics
Same really, I was too young to care at the time. Only got into it all by the time Cameron was in and I was starting to study politics.
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tony blair's government did achieve many successes: devolution, minimum wage, good friday agreement, reducing child poverty, increasing public service funding, etc.

unfortunately his legacy has pretty much disappeared. i don't think any of the changes were ingrained or made long lasting, so they were very easily reversed by the tories when they claimed labour bankrupted the country (conveniently forgetting that this was during a global financial crisis)

there are some on the left of the party who criticise new labour for being thatcherite etc but those people are blinded by ideology. ordinary people don't see ideology in the same way. they see better living standards, they see better public services, and under new labour, that's what they got. compared to now, it's a sorry state of affairs.

i have high hopes for starmer, whom i voted for in the election. i know he will not replicate new labour but i hope he will stick with the 2017 election and embrace the soft left of the party
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Same really, I was too young to care at the time. Only got into it all by the time Cameron was in and I was starting to study politics.
Now, restrospectively I think a lot of things could have been done differently or better like gun control in the wake of the Dunblane massacre, don't quite understand why 90% of gun ownership needed to be banned based on the actions of one lunatic but here we are
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Even as a hard leftist I think new labour was good, it bought labour back into power after yr's of being out and even if it wasn't as radically socialist as I would want, they managed to get some real changes in during power, moving us forward to a more meritocratic egalitarian state (though like others have mention a lot were undone). I would take new labour over the tories any day, and if new labour is what is needed to get the moderate in then so be it, I think we saw with JC and many before him, radical left politics galvanizes and doesn't always win the public. Personally I hold no ill will for Blair anymore, though he does have a million deaths on his hands/conscience for his failures.
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Even as a hard leftist I think new labour was good, it bought labour back into power after yr's of being out and even if it wasn't as radically socialist as I would want, they managed to get some real changes in during power, moving us forward to a more meritocratic egalitarian state (though like others have mention a lot were undone). I would take new labour over the tories any day, and if new labour is what is needed to get the moderate in then so be it, I think we saw with JC and many before him, radical left politics galvanizes and doesn't always win the public. Personally I hold no ill will for Blair anymore, though he does have a million deaths on his hands/conscience for his failures.
You've hit the nail on the head for me. New Labour didn't go as far enough as I'd have liked it too but it brought about much needed change - public services had largely been abandoned under 20 years of Tory rule. As much as radical politics inspires swaths, it'll turn just as many off, and that'll be reflected at the ballot box. Iraq was an abomination - a taint that will always mar the record of New Labour.
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tony blair's government did achieve many successes: devolution, minimum wage, good friday agreement, reducing child poverty, increasing public service funding, etc.

unfortunately his legacy has pretty much disappeared. i don't think any of the changes were ingrained or made long lasting, so they were very easily reversed by the tories
You mean other than all the things you mentioned?
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I'm going to be honest... New Labour is as good as we will ever have it
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I believe them to be one of the worst governments in British history.
Utter contempt for rights, freedoms and democracy and laid the groundwork for every social problem of 2020 that can't be laid at Thatcher's door and the vast majority of cultural ones.
Their period happened to coincide with a great global economy and everyone being truly sick of the best part of a generation of Conservative government.
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There were many achievements, and the alternative would have been a continuation of the sleaze and other things of the Major government that have proved to be failures, such as the way the rail network was privatised.

I think the failures other than Iraq (for which Mr Blair will never be forgiven) were in failing to bring the public sector into the digital world, to start the end of dependence on fossil fuels, and that the education improvements were only in parts of the country. You can see the beginnings of left behind coastal and other communities in the Blair and Brown years.
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Domestic policy? Yes.

Subsequent governments have been defined by their lack of vision, fresh ideas and ineptitude. Which make the Blair years look good.
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You mean other than all the things you mentioned?
devolution is being disrespected by the tories, and ironically, tony blair in his manifesto said that he wanted to introduce devolution to strengthen the union. scotland has been ruled by the nationalists for over a decade now, so that may have backfired.

child poverty is on the rise again, while public services have been underfunded by the tories

so in that respect, his legacy has pretty much vanished, though i'm not disrespecting it in any way. just lamenting that it's gone
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Ask the Tory voters.
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devolution is being disrespected by the tories, and ironically, tony blair in his manifesto said that he wanted to introduce devolution to strengthen the union. scotland has been ruled by the nationalists for over a decade now, so that may have backfired.

child poverty is on the rise again, while public services have been underfunded by the tories

so in that respect, his legacy has pretty much vanished, though i'm not disrespecting it in any way. just lamenting that it's gone
Devolution is alive and kicking and was reinforced by the New Powers from the Tories.

Child poverty on both absolute and relative basis are better than the Labour years.
https://fullfact.org/election-2019/c...ds-since-2010/
COVID might stop that from being true, have to see how that plays out.

In terms of public services, feel free to suggest my pay rise should be bigger. Bit of a mixed picture, some areas have had real terms rises like the NHS, others like defence and policing have been cut.
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