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From the 15th to 18th centuries Barbary Pirates captured, and sold, to Arab slave markets, approximately 1.5 million white Europeans. Barbary Pirates are form north africa and the captives were sold into slavery in Arab countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

Blacks also sold black slaves, to anyone willing to buy, regardless of race.

Slavery is not a racism issue, everyone has been a victim, and a perpetrator. If whites should feel guilt, and be made to apologies, then so should blacks.

Or how about we all admit the guilt is universal, happened centuries ago, had nothing to do with us personally, and we arent guilty today.

Perhaps with enough thought we can put all this behind us and move on?
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From the 15th to 18th centuries Barbary Pirates captured, and sold, to Arab slave markets, approximately 1.5 million white Europeans. Barbary Pirates are form north africa and the captives were sold into slavery in Arab countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

Blacks also sold black slaves, to anyone willing to buy, regardless of race.

Slavery is not a racism issue, everyone has been a victim, and a perpetrator. If whites should feel guilt, and be made to apologies, then so should blacks.

Or how about we all admit the guilt is universal, happened centuries ago, had nothing to do with us personally, and we arent guilty today.

Perhaps with enough thought we can put all this behind us and move on?
Nice try at rationalising racism, but you've missed the crucial issue.
Could you point me to a country where whites are discriminated against and oppressed because of their colour, as a result of their ancestors' enslavement?
It's really not rocket science.
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(Original post by MonkeyChunks)
From the 15th to 18th centuries Barbary Pirates captured, and sold, to Arab slave markets, approximately 1.5 million white Europeans. Barbary Pirates are form north africa and the captives were sold into slavery in Arab countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

Blacks also sold black slaves, to anyone willing to buy, regardless of race.

Slavery is not a racism issue, everyone has been a victim, and a perpetrator. If whites should feel guilt, and be made to apologies, then so should blacks.

Or how about we all admit the guilt is universal, happened centuries ago, had nothing to do with us personally, and we arent guilty today.

Perhaps with enough thought we can put all this behind us and move on?
Only one slave trade has had catastrophic social effects.
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Nice try at rationalising racism, but you've missed the crucial issue.
Could you point me to a country where whites are discriminated against and oppressed because of their colour, as a result of their ancestors' enslavement?
It's really not rocket science.
Is it colour or their ancestors enslavement? You put forward two supposed reasons, which is it you are claiming is the valid one?
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Only one slave trade has had catastrophic social effects.
So the emptying of an entire village on the coast of Ireland, overnight, was not a 'catastrophic social event'?

What gives you the right to judge, to discriminate, to say white people dont suffer?
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So the emptying of an entire village on the coast of Ireland, overnight, was not a 'catastrophic social event'?

What gives you the right to judge, to discriminate, to say white people dont suffer?
I never said that.
Also the Transatlantic Slave Trade did have more serious and pervasive effects which are still felt today.
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I never said that.
Also the Transatlantic Slave Trade did have more serious and pervasive effects which are still felt today.
Yes you did, you said white society didnt suffer 'catastrophic social effects' from being captured and sold in slave markets in Africa.

SO you think 1.5 million whites being taken and sold into slavery, entire villages being emptied, were not serious? Did not pervade society?

Many coastal villages closed, the impact on fishing and trade was large, and changed the racial make up of arab states with the introduction of white DNA. But to you that is nothing?
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Yes you did, you said white society didnt suffer 'catastrophic social effects' from being captured and sold in slave markets in Africa.

SO you think 1.5 million whites being taken and sold into slavery, entire villages being emptied, were not serious? Did not pervade society?

Many coastal villages closed, the impact on fishing and trade was large, and changed the racial make up of arab states with the introduction of white DNA. But to you that is nothing?
Okay, I'll concede that. But my point stands that the Transatlantic slave trade has had it's own effects that are still in place today, manifesting in racism. To derail the conversation by bringing up something you otherwise wouldn't care about is disingenuous.
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Is it colour or their ancestors enslavement? You put forward two supposed reasons, which is it you are claiming is the valid one?
Oh dear. Maybe it is rocket science for some.
Have a little think about it and get back to me if you still can't figure it out.
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So the emptying of an entire village on the coast of Ireland, overnight, was not a 'catastrophic social event'?
What gives you the right to judge, to discriminate, to say white people dont suffer?
So you are claiming that white Irish still routinely suffer institutionalised discrimination at the hands of North Africans as a result of that historical event?
Crikey!
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Yes you did, you said white society didnt suffer 'catastrophic social effects' from being captured and sold in slave markets in Africa.

SO you think 1.5 million whites being taken and sold into slavery, entire villages being emptied, were not serious? Did not pervade society?

Many coastal villages closed, the impact on fishing and trade was large, and changed the racial make up of arab states with the introduction of white DNA. But to you that is nothing?
Here's another pointer.
Try to differentiate between what happened 200 years ago and what is happening now.
They try your "whites are just as much victims of racism as blacks" argument again.
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Okay, I'll concede that. But my point stands that the Transatlantic slave trade has had it's own effects that are still in place today, manifesting in racism. To derail the conversation by bringing up something you otherwise wouldn't care about is disingenuous.
Only in the US though. And yes, it has a recent history, so its effects are still present. This is the UK though, BLM has no place in the UK.

I care about honesty.
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Oh dear. Maybe it is rocket science for some.
Have a little think about it and get back to me if you still can't figure it out.
Cant specify which reason?
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Only in the US though. And yes, it has a recent history, so its effects are still present. This is the UK though, BLM has no place in the UK.

I care about honesty.
You think attitudes didn't spill over to the UK? Imperialism is also related.
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Here's another pointer.
Try to differentiate between what happened 200 years ago and what is happening now.
They try your "whites are just as much victims of racism as blacks" argument again.
Slavery still exists in the US does it? Of course not, it finished over a century ago. Perhaps you havent heard of the American Civil war? Go and read up on it.

And in the UK it finished so long ago it is in the mists of time. In 1772 slavery was ruled illegal. Go read up your history.
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So you are claiming that white Irish still routinely suffer institutionalised discrimination at the hands of North Africans as a result of that historical event?
Crikey!
Name one law in the US that discriminates on colour? Law IS the institution, right? You do know that much, surely?

Racist individuals do not constitute the institution. Understand the difference.
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Slavery still exists in the US does it? Of course not, it finished over a century ago. Perhaps you havent heard of the American Civil war? Go and read up on it.

And in the UK it finished so long ago it is in the mists of time. In 1772 slavery was ruled illegal. Go read up your history.
Read up on current affairs:

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2...united-states/

https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/slavery-uk/
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From the 15th to 18th centuries Barbary Pirates captured, and sold, to Arab slave markets, approximately 1.5 million white Europeans.
I'll just interject here and remind you that 12.5m Africans were enslaved during the Atlantic slave trade. That is over 8 times as many people.
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Could you point me to a country where whites are discriminated against and oppressed because of their colour,
Most countries in Africa.
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When will everyone shut the **** up about slaves. They are getting boring now.
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