Could the UK make it's own union?

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(Original post by Alessandro.C_27)
No not at all, the brexitiers will have a union which has less laws than the EU and its central hq is in London
I said yes / leave voters.

Why would yes voters (such as I) have any interest in a union? Especially one based in that bloody London.
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Such as? This isn’t a full political union it’s a trade deal with a few extras
OP specifically said that the new union would be like the EU. Not being a full political union doesn't stop it from having rules.
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(Original post by Alessandro.C_27)
Add netherlands, Denmark and the rest of Scandinavia and Western Europe and I'd be happy
Why not just throw in the rest of Europe while you're at it...?
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The state of the rule breaking company obviously.
Ok. But what if that state turns a blind eye? After all it is their company that is benefiting from the advantage.
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Such as? This isn’t a full political union it’s a trade deal with a few extras
Indeed. But trade deals dictate what can be traded. But when a country in the deal starts selling horse meat or chlorinated chicken when the deal is for beef or free range chicken you need some form of abitration cpunrt or you end up in a US / China type confrontation which benefits no one.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Why not just throw in the rest of Europe while you're at it...?
Well france and Germany are large enough to support themselves and Eastern Europe is simply too different to the west
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(Original post by Quady)
I said yes / leave voters.

Why would yes voters (such as I) have any interest in a union? Especially one based in that bloody London.
Because London is the best bloody city in the world and it will make the UK a great nation once again. I must add that I would also expand heathrow massively
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Ok. But what if that state turns a blind eye? After all it is their company that is benefiting from the advantage.
Well states have regulations, if regulations are broken it’s agencies go after them.
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Indeed. But trade deals dictate what can be traded. But when a country in the deal starts selling horse meat or chlorinated chicken when the deal is for beef or free range chicken you need some form of abitration cpunrt or you end up in a US / China type confrontation which benefits no one.
Well firstly it’s down to that state to police it’s own regulations. It’s also down to the state to make sure it’s imports meet its own regulations
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Maybe CANZUK + Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, Faroe Islands and Greenland
Well, Norway, Switzerland and Iceland are pretty much in EU.
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Well firstly it’s down to that state to police it’s own regulations. It’s also down to the state to make sure it’s imports meet its own regulations
Agreed. But in a union the idea is generally to opperate a level playing fieeld across that union no? The UK is a union and by and large, our laws are universal across the whole union.

Outside of that you are generally on your own as many who trade with China, Russia and many other parts of the world well know.
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Agreed. But in a union the idea is generally to opperate a level playing fieeld across that union no? The UK is a union and by and large, our laws are universal across the whole union.

Outside of that you are generally on your own as many who trade with China, Russia and many other parts of the world well know.
Who mentioned a level playing field
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Well france and Germany are large enough to support themselves and Eastern Europe is simply too different to the west
You seem to be plucking countries out of thin air to add to this new grand union. You're disregarding all the current differences between countries on your list so why stop at Eastern Europe?

If anything, the fact that Eastern Europe is mostly within the EU should make it easier to form a bloc with them and Western Europe.
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Because London is the best bloody city in the world and it will make the UK a great nation once again. I must add that I would also expand heathrow massively
Stirling is a better city than London.

Yes voters want the UK to be great once again? Do they? What period to they want to go back to?
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Stirling is a better city than London.

Yes voters want the UK to be great once again? Do they? What period to they want to go back to?
I assume you are talking about yes voters for Scotland? If so, please screw your head back on. Leaving the UK, you will be hopeless, we share such a symbiotic relationship that if you leave, both our economies will crumble.
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I assume you are talking about yes voters for Scotland? If so, please screw your head back on. Leaving the UK, you will be hopeless, we share such a symbiotic relationship that if you leave, both our economies will crumble.
Yet you don't even recognise the union....
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Well france and Germany are large enough to support themselves and Eastern Europe is simply too different to the west
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Because London is the best bloody city in the world and it will make the UK a great nation once again. I must add that I would also expand heathrow massively
Do you have any real basis for saying this bar a quaint bit of patriotism? London barely ranks in most metrics from livability to income to quality of life.
Equally, if the UK can only get by, by hanging on to the coattails of one city by definition there is nothing "great" about it.

I'm curious, have you ever actually been to many other cities be it Frankfurt, Paris, Vancouver, NYC, Melbourne, Singapore etc.?
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Do you have any real basis for saying this bar a quaint bit of patriotism? London barely ranks in most metrics from livability to income to quality of life.
Equally, if the UK can only get by, by hanging on to the coattails of one city by definition there is nothing "great" about it.

I'm curious, have you ever actually been to many other cities be it Frankfurt, Paris, Vancouver, NYC, Melbourne, Singapore etc.?
Agreed London is now a **** hole.
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Who mentioned a level playing field
Why wouldn't you want a level playing field? The reason the UK is such a financial hub is because we have a very good legal framework and justice system. If you are wronged in this country there are lots of ways of seeking justice.

But if you try to do business in China for example, you don't stand a chance. For a start, you must register a Chinese company which effectively allows the government so get access to everything you do and things like copyright and patent protection are pretty much non-existent for foreign companies in China. Unsurprisingly, the biggest market place on the planet is out of bounds to most UK businesses.

Thank goodness we have Europe - oh wait...
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How?

Do you have any real basis for saying this bar a quaint bit of patriotism? London barely ranks in most metrics from livability to income to quality of life.
Equally, if the UK can only get by, by hanging on to the coattails of one city by definition there is nothing "great" about it.

I'm curious, have you ever actually been to many other cities be it Frankfurt, Paris, Vancouver, NYC, Melbourne, Singapore etc.?
I think depends on who you are. I am no fan of London, but there are a huge number of pretty wealthy people in London for whom London is a worthy playground offering all you might want. Yes, it is dirty and grimy but then so are parts of the other cities you have mentioned. No doubt all will have their ills.

Like it or not, London is a global hub and draws in many many people. Yes, there are issues of social equality but this is true of all the alternatives you have mentioned. It is just that as foreigners we tend to view other cities as a tourist rather than as a resident. Singapore for example is spotless, but that is because of the draconian laws impost like an iron fist by the authorities. Would I like to live there? Probably not.
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