List of universities to avoid if you're black/non-white?

Exeter has a bad history as well, as some Ibz Mo subscribers will have already known. Their Bracton Law society had a scandal in 2018 and the stuff said in their groupchats were vile.

If you want to subject yourself to racist abuse willingly for the sake of helping posterity, then sure.

If you want to subject yourself to racist abuse willingly for the sake of helping posterity, then sure.

1. You may not experience racism there.
2. You may end up experiencing racism wherever you end up.

That's such a bad argument, honestly. You could say that about anything.

That's such a bad argument, honestly. You could say that about anything.

That's the point isn't it? They're saying don't worry about this when choosing a uni.

I said it makes sense for BAME students to avoid Durham on the basis that they have a high number of BAME students experiencing racism. They are saying students should attend anyway because there's a chance they may not be subjected to racist abuse or that they will experience racism wherever else they end up anyway. <== Please explain to me how this argument isn't stupid? By avoiding Durham (and Exeter, Newcastle etc) and choosing a university with a lot fewer number of racist incidents, you minimise your risk of being subjected to racist abuse.

Some of the stupid suggestions on this page:

1. Subject yourself to racist abuse, it will pave the way for future generations
2. Take the risk. There's a chance you may not even experience racism.
3. Take the risk. You may experience racism elsewhere anyway.

Basically live your life in fear and avoid white people.

Or you could try and muster a more earnest argument instead of intentionally misconstruing what I wrote?

For someone with two degrees you don't come off as particularly sharp.

There are pages on the internet dedicated racist incidents at university of St Andrews (there's a thread currently in their subforum). There have also been a lot of racist incidents at Newcastle university -- Chinese students spat at , videos of black students getting racially abused by groups of white students in the halls, students shouting "I hate n*****s" at Fresher's parties etc.

Newcastle
Northumbia
Cardiff
St Andrews

From what I know these have really bad reputation when it comes to racism. Also obscure ones like Bedfordshire and Liverpool John Moores are terrible too.

What do you think? Any additions or experience to share?

Surely it's quite simple. You laugh at the idea that somebody could attend a predominantly white university and not experience racism. Hence why you are advising BAME students to avoid this university and other universities like it, and go somewhere where they are least likely to experience racism. Considering this is a predominantly white country (and only white people who can be racist of course) surely the best way to minimise experiencing racism and calm oneself of the fear should be to avoid all white people?

I mean you're posting such sound advice whilst using the anon function. You must be very scared.

Again, you're misconstruing what has been said. I'm sure there are some predominantly white universities with no high number of racist incidents. I'm saying it makes sense why people would avoid universities like Durham and Exeter who happen to have a known racism problem. This whole avoiding white people and fear characterisations are not from me, but are more likely to be stemming from your own appeasement issues. Sort that out.

You seem to be very annoyed at the fact that I'm using the anon function. It's amusing!

I disagree. In light of what's been coming out of Durham for the past two months for example, I would say it makes a lot of sense to avoid going there. The Tab found 25+ black/minority current students who have experienced racism at the university (horrific reading) -- and there aren't a lot of BAME students at Durham anyway. So it 100% makes sense to avoid Durham.

But surely it would be the best way to minimise exposure to potential racism, since apparently the argument that somebody could attend these universities and not experience racism is ridiculous? I'm not trying to appease anyone, I'm not the one allowing racists to influence my life choices without them having to lift a finger lol.

What is your reasoning for using anon? Are you ashamed of what you are saying?

Curious to know whether you’re black or not? What uni did you go to/are at? It’ll help me and maybe others reason with your view (which I don’t 100% disagree with by the way, I disagree more with the fact that you seem to look down upon and judge people that consider racism in their decision making when they’re not really the people you should be judging).

I am black. My first university was in London, my second one in the Midlands. Racists exist everywhere and I don't intend to let them dictate what I do with my life. I read the Tab article. What I read was disgusting. However, if Durham had something that appealed to me/ would benefit my future, I still wouldn't write off studying there. People can do what they want, but I disagree that OP seems to not think that people can attend a university such as Durham and not experience racism as a good argument to keep it an option

Ah ok. Don’t you think that maybe you inwardly did what most black students do? There’s a number of reasons for it, but we tend to stay in urban places/cities for university. Statistically we stick to where we’re comfortable (and there’s reasons for why we’re most comfortable in those places but I won’t get into that) and isn’t that what those black students who choose to avoid universities that are blatantly more racist than the “average” are doing?
Go you for the fact that you would’ve gone to Durham regardless if that’s where you really wanted to go! I’m in the same position with St Andrews - most people would scream “no” at me but I’m applying this year because it seems like the great uni for me and it’s perfect for my course. But believe me I more than understand that most people would wanna just stick to where they can walk down a street and see 15, 20, 30 people who look like them because, let’s be real, those places (London, Birmingham) are where you’re less likely to be targeted compared to County Durham and Edinburgh, and the vast majority of people don’t want to live and be educated somewhere where it’s more likely they’ll be targeted. OP’s opinion is extreme in that all black people should not attend those universities full stop....but it stems from fact unfortunately