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It is now very clear that Dominic Cummings is running the government. He hates the civil service and wants reforms. The head of the civil service has announced his resignations. He wants to take power away from the cabinet office. What are his reforms plans? Will they work?
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Dunno. Doubt it.
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Doubt it. Advisers, however powerful, come and go rather often. Whitehall is more than capable of bogging down any reforms it doesnt like until they run out of steam or Cummings ousted from his perch.
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Isnt he busy running the government, SAGE and NHS eye tests?
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Doubt it. Advisers, however powerful, come and go rather often. Whitehall is more than capable of bogging down any reforms it doesnt like until they run out of steam or Cummings ousted from his perch.
Depends what his reform is.
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It is now very clear that Dominic Cummings is running the government. He hates the civil service and wants reforms. The head of the civil service has announced his resignations. He wants to take power away from the cabinet office. What are his reforms plans? Will they work?
No idea. Might work.
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OP, why has it taken you six months to understand who runs the government? Mr Johnson is a part-time prime minister. The reforms I expect are designed to centralise power in number 10, and because of a belief that the civil service frustrates reform.

I can understand why in a digital age the analogue structure of government might need reform, but that is not the motive. Blaming the civil service for the mass deaths caused by Mr Johnson's inaction in March and then not sacking Mr Cummings is wrong.
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Depends what his reform is.
Well yes, there is that rather important caveat. However it was implied that i was reffering to reforms the service disagrees with.
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Well yes, there is that rather important caveat. However it was implied that i was reffering to reforms the service disagrees with.
The service will disagree with anything that improves them if it gives them more accountability/workload.
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The service will disagree with anything that improves them if it gives them more accountability/workload.
Or relocates them to Coventry.
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There is far too much inertia in the CS for there to be any realistic prospect of reform, and that reform would just be to make it a differently autocratic anyway
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Or relocates them to Coventry.
Could be worse, could be Swansea
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The service will disagree with anything that improves them if it gives them more accountability/workload.
And what makes you say that?
Either way, kind of hard to give them a higher workload as they already do all the functions of government..
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Could be worse, could be Swansea
The Gower is alright, at least one can look down on Bridgend/Port Talbot lol Coventry is the poor relation to its neighbours.

That did remind me I once did university recruitment for the civil service at Swansea Uni. Nobody knew what 'our company' was.
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There is far too much inertia in the CS for there to be any realistic prospect of reform, and that reform would just be to make it a differently autocratic anyway
Masterly inactivity is a beautiful thing
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Could be worse, could be Swansea

And what makes you say that?
Either way, kind of hard to give them a higher workload as they already do all the functions of government..
I believe the Government can be automated through the use of more technology. Unfortunately, many civil servants live to keep their generous salaries/pensions.
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I believe the Government can be automated through the use of more technology. Unfortunately, many civil servants live to keep their generous salaries/pensions.
Same could be said the vast majority of FTSE350 companies.

Generous salary and pension?
The CIO of HMRC earns £185k. Add 25% for employer pension, round up. That's £250k.
Their boss, the Perm Sec, £200k salary, similarly about £250k, call it £300k if you like.

58,000 staff, £4bn budget, over £1tn revenue.

You really think those compensation packages are competative....?

The CEO of Marstons (now outside the FTSE350) is on base pay of over £600k, 15% pension on top (ignoring historic final salary scheme). 14,000 staff and revenue of about £1bn. HMRC are the ones paying over 90% of their staff and yet Ralf gets all the pub lunches he likes.
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I believe the Government can be automated through the use of more technology. Unfortunately, many civil servants live to keep their generous salaries/pensions.
Not an unreasonable position to take.
Then again, given technology never works... the number of times the government have tried to automate things and failed being a testament.
Equally, what makes you think firing thousands of people is conductive to a good work environment? Given it is CS who make the country run, no one else.
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