China forces birth control on Uighurs and other minorities

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Having taken a look at these sources, and knowing what they do in Tibet, I agree. I would even opt for war option, and join the army to go there and fight them. These mobs need to be removed, and replaced not by democracy, but by a meritocratic system.
Might one ask, why you would willingly commit suicide in such a fashion?
Of course it will not happen, no country in the West would declare a war for moral reasons.
Shame, sucha beatiful country, such an ancient civilisation and it went so low.
Indeed. That being said though, from their perspective it is infinitely better than what happened to it in the 19th and 20th centuries. Few countries having quite so shameful an impact as Britain there. There were some rather interesting accounts noting that the slave trade paled in comparison so what we did there.
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Indeed. That being said though, from their perspective it is infinitely better than what happened to it in the 19th and 20th centuries. Few countries having quite so shameful an impact as Britain there. There were some rather interesting accounts noting that the slave trade paled in comparison so what we did there.
And what you did to them, pales in comparision to what Mao did to his own people. And they consider him to be a great leader and hero.

[quote=Napp;90030202]Might one ask, why you would willingly commit suicide in such a fashion?

Because when your life is worthless and pointless, and you're aware of it, you might be willing to find any reason for it.
And there are deadly jobs that someone has to carry out anyway.
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And what you did to them, pales in comparision to what Mao did to his own people. And they consider him to be a great leader and hero.

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Might one ask, why you would willingly commit suicide in such a fashion?

Because when your life is worthless and pointless, and you're aware of it, you might be willing to find any reason for it.
And there are deadly jobs that someone has to carry out anyway.
Who is 'you' sorry?
Mmm possibly, although turning the nation into a bunch of glassy eyed dope fiends that led to the boxer rebellion... well.
Fair enough, although i imagine there are more efficient ways of finding meaning in less than standing in front of a Chinese machine gun asking to please be shot. The point being, Britain would not win a war against China - period.
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Who is 'you' sorry?
Anyone.

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Mmm possibly, although turning the nation into a bunch of glassy eyed dope fiends that led to the boxer rebellion... well.
Read Jung Chang's Wild Swans: Three daughters of China.

Mao's policy wasn't only about sending real or imagined opposition to deadly labour camps, or the famous misjudgement that caused famine that led to death of up to 45 million of people. People could get into trouble for most bizarre reason, like wearing a shirt which wasn't an approved uniform, or leaving work for an hour to attend their own wedding.
His myrmidons and youth bands were persecuting people in most cruel manner, like jumping on stomachs of alive victims untill their internal organs went out through their backs. During the Cultural Revolution, not only they were destroying ancient books, instruments and buildings, they were even cutting ornamental trees and destroying lawns (yes, lawns of grass) to 'fight burgeois customs'. Traditional teashops where Chinese lowed to spend time and socialise, were closed, and those reluctant to leave them could be killed as well. Also people were forced to practically pray to Mao's portaits- not doing it meant a risk of being tortured, killed, or having to state so called self-criticism at best. Students were so deluded that on the Tiananmen square they were writing declarations of happines caused by seeing Mao, with their own blood. Althogether this this led to immense cultural loses, mislead of the nation and death of 70 million people. Not even Stalin did so much damage to his own people. And btw. you'll still find Stalin's portraits in Chinese schools.
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The thing is, you acted on a belief or a hunch. Or at least, that's how I saw it.
If this information is true, the comparision becomes fairly accurate.


LOL what are you on about? I didn't act on a belief, I'd heard about these stories before on reddit and I even MENTIONED them to you.

Try telling yourself you see it as a belief if it makes you feel better, just admit you were ignorant about the matter. Even now there's people refusing to compare it to the holocaust, it's ******ing ridiculous.
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Western countries do/have done the same. About 1/3 of Puerto Rican women of child-bearing age were sterilized by the US govt.

In some areas of the continental US, 30% of black women were sterilized.

Native american women, even higher. A lot of this was post WW2.
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Western countries do/have done the same. About 1/3 of Puerto Rican women of child-bearing age were sterilized by the US govt.In some areas of the continental US, 30% of black women were sterilized.Native american women, even higher. A lot of this was post WW2.
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Western countries do/have done the same. About 1/3 of Puerto Rican women of child-bearing age were sterilized by the US govt.

In some areas of the continental US, 30% of black women were sterilized.

Native american women, even higher. A lot of this was post WW2.
Sooooo........that makes the Uyghurs situation all O.K. then?

By your logic, it would mean humanity will never progress and doomed to repeat the same mistakes because past failures set the rules for all future action forevermore?
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Not available in the U.K., Australia, N.Z., Canada and others. Hmmm.

Be careful of youtube uploader hacks with the same cover image and title. e.g. The Lobos upload starts off with John Oliver, but then quickly cuts to Auschwitz and diverts to 'whataboutism'.

If you cannot access the youtube video in your country, here is a transcript. NB John Oliver intersperses serious commentary with satire. Skip through the comedy and the important messages are crystal clear.

John Oliver Uyghur transcript.
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Not available in the U.K., Australia, N.Z., Canada and others. Hmmm.

Be careful of youtube uploader hacks with the same cover image and title. e.g. The Lobos upload starts off with John Oliver, but then quickly cuts to Auschwitz and diverts to 'whataboutism'.

If you cannot access the youtube video in your country, here is a transcript. NB John Oliver intersperses serious commentary with satire. Skip through the comedy and the important messages are crystal clear.

John Oliver Uyghur transcript.
My mistake, didn't know that. Seems to be available here in Lebanon. :\
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It's a proxy conflict. Xinjiang isn't really even "in" China per se; it's more like a colony. Compared to Shanghai, it's 40% of the way to Istanbul (almost as close to Istanbul as Shanghai). It borders Afghanistan and kind of marks the start of the middle east. It has craploads of natural gas, coal, and rare minerals and the like.

Russia used to fund Turkic separatism in the 1980s, but abandoned it as China-Russia relations improved. Starting with Bush, USA is basically using the same tactics. USA is in a mood to make life difficult for China. On the other hand, China doesn't mind a bit (or if necessary a lot) of brutal repression here and there, and they aren't going to give up the valuable resources.

What would be a way out? Possibly, some kind of conversation where the west recognises China has a Xinjiang separatism problem, and try and diplomatically agree a more humane way of dealing with it. But that seems like a fantasy. More likely it will be non-constructive finger jabbing and bad China etc. China gets to keep Xinjiang, USA gets to take the moral high ground in the court of world opinion, while the Ughyur, who neither USA nor China care about, get ****ed.
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