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Is not supporting gay rights homophobic?

FMFMFM123

Is it? If I respect gays but think homosexuality is wrong?

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Reply 1

Guru Jason

Respect means treating them equally so you cannot respect them if you disagree with gay rights.

Reply 2

Tom.Nook

Put simply, yes. Not wanting someone to have the same rights as you because you think it's wrong is homophobic.

(edited 3 years ago)

Reply 3

Vanessa Chuah

sorry yes it is homophobic.

Reply 4

FMFMFM123

Original post by Guru Jason

Respect means treating them equally so you cannot respect them if you disagree with gay rights.

I think we should not have alcohol but I respect those who do. How is this any different?

Reply 5

becausethenight

Yes, it is. Gay rights are human rights; if you believe that queer people should not have the same rights as cis, straight people (eg marriage, adoption, freedom from discrimination in the workplace) then you're not respectful of queer people as people.

Reply 6

Tom.Nook

Original post by FMFMFM123

I think we should not have alcohol but I respect those who do. How is this any different?

Because you're suggesting that those who don't live their lives exactly how you do deserve have less rights than you.

In your analogy here, it would be like saying you respect those don't drink alcohol, but they shouldn't be allowed to go to Uni.

Why do you get to choose what they can and can't do? Who gave you that power?

Reply 7

Guru Jason

Original post by FMFMFM123

I think we should not have alcohol but I respect those who do. How is this any different?

It's not. You dont have to drink alcohol and that is your choice but you cannot force that choice into others. You do not have to be gay or even like it but you have no right to deny others the same rights as you have

Reply 8

username4986690

I bet you think they should go to hell as well.

Reply 9

FMFMFM123

Original post by sam.hop

In your analogy here, it would be like saying you respect those don't drink alcohol, but they shouldn't be allowed to go to Uni.

Not really. I’m saying they can drink and do it but I cannot say it’s right. If someone’s drinking, are you saying I cannot say that it’s wrong to drink?
I don’t have the right to say what I think is wrong respectfully?

Reply 10

FMFMFM123

Original post by DiddyDec

I bet you think they should go to hell as well.

Nope

Reply 11

josie71202

that's the definition of homophobia

Reply 12

username4986690

Original post by FMFMFM123

Nope

Looks like I lost the bet :lol:

Reply 13

FMFMFM123

Original post by Guru Jason

I’m not forcing anything on anyone. I’m just saying that what they are doing is wrong. I can argue why it’s wrong. I cannot force anyone to quit drinking or smoking but I can argue that they are wrong.

(edited 3 years ago)

Reply 14

GabiAbi84

The issue here is that your title and your first post are asking two different things.
If you don’t support gay rights then yes, you are homophobic no matter what the reason you give.

And the statement that you respect them but think they are wrong are mutually exclusive.

You are allowed to Think whatever you like but it does make you homophobic.

(edited 3 years ago)

Reply 15

becausethenight

Original post by FMFMFM123

I’m forcing anything on anyone. I’m just saying that what they are doing is wrong. I can argue why it’s wrong. I cannot force anyone to quit drinking or smoking but I can argue that they are wrong.

But that's not the same as "not supporting drinkers' rights"? For example, I could believe that drinking alcohol is wrong, but also defend drinkers' rights to free NHS treatment, or to visit their children. Saying that you're not going to force people to stop the thing you disagree with (ie homosexuality) is actually a really low bar here.

(edited 3 years ago)

Reply 16

Educate_Yourself

What do you mean by you don't support gay rights? Do you think it should be illegal or do you just not agree with homosexuality?

Reply 17

Guru Jason

Original post by FMFMFM123

Ok, can you argue with me why you think why gay rights is wrong and you wont support it? Think about all the rights you have and ask yourself why gay people should have them.

Think about being in a relationship.
Think about marraige.
Think about tax breaks for married couples.

Why should straight people about allowed the things mentioned about but gay people shouldn't when in eof the above actively affects you.

(edited 3 years ago)

Reply 18

FMFMFM123

Original post by LordFahid

What do you mean by you don't support gay rights? Do you think it should be illegal or do you just not agree with homosexuality?

Just not agree with homosexuality. People can do whatever they want and the people of a country should decide what should be legal or not. In a country where it’s legal, what can stop me from saying it’s wrong? I can still tell people what I think about it even if everyone agrees, I could still disagree? Isn’t that freedom of speech? I’m not insulting or judging anyone, I’m giving my opinion on something they think is right and I think it’s not.

Reply 19

Tom.Nook

(Original post by sam.hop)Not really. I’m saying they can drink and do it but I cannot say it’s right. If someone’s drinking, are you saying I cannot say that it’s wrong to drink?
I don’t have the right to say what I think is wrong respectfully?

I think you're getting a bit confused by the term gay rights.

You have the right to express your beliefs and what you feel is/isn't wrong, but you don't have the right to dictate how other people should be allowed to live.

In answer to your question "Is not supporting gay rights homophobic?" the answer is yes. Because, unlike your drinking analogy, if you don't support gay rights, you're saying LGBTQ+ people shouldn't have the same rights as you. AKA shouldn't be allowed to live authentically/adopt/marry etc.

If your stance, like drinking, is that you personally believe homosexuality is wrong, but you also think your personal belief shouldn't dictate whether or not people are allowed to be gay, then you should be pro gay-rights.

I don't know how else to explain it. You asked the question, the answer is yes.